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Bin Laden: The Ummat Interview
[also see update
and update2 below]
[The following interview with Osama bin Laden appeared in the
Pakistani daily newpaper, Ummat, and reached us via Carol Valentine's
newsletter. We reproduce it below rather than simply linking to it directly because
of the volatile situation in that part of the world; should Pakistan come under
total U.S. control, this interview may no longer be available at its original
source.]
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Usama bin Laden Says Israeli Regime is Behind the 9-11
Attacks
KABUL, Afghanistan (Ummat): Prominent Arab mojahed (freedom fighter)
Usama bin Laden or the Al-Qaida group has nothing to do with the 11
September attacks on the Bush Administration,
according to an Usama bin Laden interview with Ummat, the
Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper. In his interview, Usama bin
Laden pointed out that the Israeli regime is behind the 9-11 attacks.
He expressed gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging the Pakistani
people to continue their jehad against dictators, tyrants, traitors,
crooks, criminals, dictatorships and tyrannies. Following is the text
of Usama Bin Laden's interview conducted by a "special correspondent"
and published in the daily Ummat on Friday, 28 September 2001. [The
place and date of the interview was not given by Ummat.]
Daily UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in
New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you
are not involved, who might be?
USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the
most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole
universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole humankind.
Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (saw) for our guidance. I am
thankful to The Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to
convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and momin (true
Muslim) people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lies of the
demon (Pakistani military dictator General Pervez Musharraf).
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September
attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid
telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider
the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an
appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent
women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even
in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is
perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people
of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is
going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call
the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a
warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a
silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people
of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived
from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts
of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that
America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the
anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just
a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries,
the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a
glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United
States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims.
The U.S. has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the
prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or
consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it.
It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its
slaves or subordinates. However, our case is different. We have pledged slavery
to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no possibility to become
the slave of someone else. If we do that it will be disregardful to both our
Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding
their freedom are the religious ones, which are the enemies of the
United States, or the U.S. itself considers them as its enemies.
The countries which do not agree to become the U.S. slaves are China,
Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria [Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq,
Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia] and Russia. Whoever committed the act of
11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have
already said that we are against the American system, not against its
people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have
been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much
higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush
Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States
should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself;
the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting
against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons
who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between
Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation,
country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia
to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are
dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable
of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the
American-Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the
elections in Florida and want to avenge him.
Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require
billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the
government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem
till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the
budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy.
So, they first started propaganda against Usama and Taleban and then
this incident happened. You see, the Bush Administration approved a
budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will
be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to
exert their importance. Now they will spend the money for their
expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an
example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with
the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate
narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will
be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are
encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get
millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug
baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same
way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they
cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold
it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there
exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That
secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.
Daily UMMAT: A number of world countries have joined the call of the
United States for launching attacks on Afghanistan. These also
include a number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qaida declare
a jehad against these Islamic countries as well?
USAMA BIN LADEN: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the
Muslims; to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not.
What does Islam says and what the enemies of Islam want?
Al-Qaida was set up to wage a jehad against infidelity, particularly
to counter the onslaught of the infidel countries against the Islamic
states. Jehad is the sixth undeclared pillar of Islam. [The first
five being the basic holy words of Islam (There is only one God in
the entire universe and Muhammad is
the last Prophet of God), prayers, fast, pilgrimage to Mecca and
giving alms (zakat).] Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of jehad.
Al-Qaida wants to keep jehad alive and active and make it
a part of the daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the
status of worship. We are not against any Islamic country. We do not
consider a war against an Islamic country as jehad. We are
in favour of armed jehad only against those infidel governments,
which are killing innocent Muslim men, women and children just
because they are Muslims. Supporting the U.S. act is the need of
some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others. However, they
should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral
position if they support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on
a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic Shariah
[jurisprudence] for such individuals, organizations and countries are
clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are unanimous on
them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the
Ameer-ul-Momeneen [the commander of the faithful Afghans] Muhammad Omar
and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are
beating with the call of jehad. We are grateful to them.
Daily UMMAT: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and
Washington have proved that giving an economic blow to the U.S.is not
too difficult. U.S. experts admit that a few more such
attacks can bring down the American economy. Why is Al-Qaida not
targeting their economic pillars?
USAMA BIN LADEN: I have already said that we are not hostile to the
United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system,which
makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to
mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally
in control of the American-Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not
the United States. It is clear that the American people are
themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to
the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment should reach
Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to
innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word.
Daily UMMAT: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through
other means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance, urging the
Muslims to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines and TV
channels.
USAMA BIN LADEN: The first thing is that Western products could only
be boycotted when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and
organized. Secondly, the Muslim companies should become
self-sufficient in producing goods equal to the products of Western
companies. Economic boycott of the West is not possible unless
economic self-sufficiency is attained and substitute products are
brought out. You see that wealth is scattered all across the Muslim
World but not a single TV channel has been acquired which can preach
Islamic injunctions according to modern requirements and attain an
international influence. Muslim traders and philanthropists should
make it a point that if the weapon of public opinion is to be used,
it is to be kept in the hand. Today's world is of public opinion and the
fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for
building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be
done.
Daily UMMAT: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far
been made by the Western media. But no information is being received
from your sources about the network of Al-Qaida and its jehadi
successes. Would you comment?
USAMA BIN LADEN: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing
else. It has no other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have
many other things to do. The struggle for jehad and the
successes are for the sake of Allah and not to annoy His bondsmen.
Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or
corrigendum only waste your time and through them, the enemy wants
you to engage in things which are not of use to you. These things are
pulling you away from your cause. The Western media is unleashing
such a baseless propaganda, which makes us surprise but it reflects
on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become
captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to
themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the
Western media is mercilessly using it against its own
people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people
of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of
the United States cannot do, its media is doing that.
You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation
in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.
Daily UMMAT: What will be the impact of the freeze of Al-Qaida
accounts by the U.S.?
USAMA BIN LADEN: God opens up ways for those who work for Him.
Freezing of accounts will not make any difference for Al-Qaida or
other jehad groups. With the grace of Allah, Al-Qaida has
more than three alternative financial systems, which are all
separate and totally independent from each other. This system is
operating under the patronage of those who love jehad. What to
say of the United States, even the combined world cannot budge these
people from their path. These people are not in hundreds but in
thousands and millions. Al-Qaida comprises of such modern educated
youths who are aware of the cracks inside the Western financial
system as they are aware of the lines in their hands. These are the
very flaws of the Western fiscal system, which are becoming a noose
for it and this system could not recuperate in spite of the passage
of so many days.
Daily UMMAT: Are there other safe areas other than
Afghanistan, where you can continue jehad?
USAMA BIN LADEN: There are areas in all parts of the world where
strong jehadi forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from
Kabul to Chechnya, from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir.
Then it is not the problem of my person. I am a helpless fellowman of
God, constantly in the fear of my accountability before God. It is
not the question of Usama but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jehad.
Thanks to God, those waging a jehad can walk today with their heads
raised. Jehad was still present when there was no Usama and it will
remain as such even when Usama is no longer there. Allah opens up
ways and creates loves in the hearts of people for those who walk on
the path of Allah with their lives, property and children. Believe
it, through jehad, a man gets everything he desires. And the biggest
desire of a Muslim is the life after death. Martyrdom is the shortest
way of attaining an eternal life.
Daily UMMAT: What do you say about the Pakistan Government policy on
Afghanistan attack?
USAMA BIN LADEN: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of
Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the evil forces and stood
in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope
for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized and
rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war
against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mojahedeen
(freedom fighters) and the Afghan people. Then these are very
Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If
such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West
will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and,
God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our
blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the
people of jehad and fighting for the defense of Pakistan is the best
of all jehads to us. It does not matter for us as to who reforms
Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jehad is alive
and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.
- Source: Ummat, Urdu-language daily newspaper based in Karachi,
Pakistan -
Friday, 28 September 2001 - pages 1, 7.
- Source: BBC Monitoring Service.
- Source:
http://www.khilafah.com
http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2392&TagID=2
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Note from Carol Valentine:
News of this Ummat interview was suppressed in the US. Between the
time of its publication and October 7, the US apparently spent its
time creating a fake "bin Laden" interview, using either a stand-in
or morphing.
Or was the fraud produced by the Brits, as a favor to the US? No,
the Taliban Home Video was a ham-fisted effort. The Brits usually
have more subtelty . . .
You can read about the US fraud, "The Taliban Home Video," at
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/hvideo.html
[VNN Ed. Note: also available on our site at
index140]
Attached to "The Taliban Home Video" you will find a copy of a March,
1977 CNN interview with bin Laden, conducted by Peter Arnett.
Compare the content and the style of bin Laden's remarks in the 1977
CNN interview with the content and style of bin Laden's remarks in
the September 28, 2001 Ummat interview. Yes, it is the same man, all
right. It appears to me that the Ummat interview is authentic.
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update
Osama bin Surplus
Carol A. Valentine
Curator, Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
http://www.Public-Action.com
Copyright, October, 2001
May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes
October 28, 2001--In a previous article released on October 5, I
wrote that the October al-Jazeera video was a fraud, and called the
man who appeared in it "Osama bin Fake-it." See The Taliban Home
Video
http://www.public-action.com/911/hvideo.html
Also on VNN at:
index140.htm
Later, I drew attention to an authentic interview with the real Osama
bin Laden, published in a Karachi, Pakistan newspaper, the Daily
UMMAT, on September 28. In that interview, bin Laden denied any
involvement in the September 11 attacks in the US, and pointed out
Islam strictly forbids the killing of women and children, even in the
heat of battle.
"Bin Laden: *** AUTHENTIC INTERVIEW *** "
http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html
Also on VNN above.
Now I have a question for you concerning national leaders and how
they present themselves to the public:
Did Winston Churchill wear a swastika and a Luftwaffe uniform while
giving speeches during World War II?
Did President Kennedy wear a Cuban military uniform and smoke a Cuban
cigar when he was addressing the nation during the Cuban Missile
Crisis?
Does Ariel Sharon wear Yassar Arafat headgear (a kaffiyeh) while
giving press interviews in Israel?
Of course not.
We all know that in war time, symbolism is of paramount importance.
No national wartime leader -- Occidental or Oriental, black or white,
saintly or wicked, clever or stupid -- would ever be caught wearing
the regalia of the enemy. That being the case, I have another
question for you:
Why would Osama bin Laden wear a U.S. Army jacket while making
Islamic pronouncements on the Taliban Home Video?
http://www.Public-Action.com/911/wtstandin.gif
Such US Army jackets are commonly available in US Army surplus
stores, and look-alikes are sold in mens' wear stores across America.
I wonder where the figure in the al-Jazeera video got his?
(By the way, the man in this video was holding the microphone in his
right hand; the FBI says Osama bin Laden is left-handed.
http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/laden.htm )
Bin Laden is a fundamentalist Muslim whose very cause is the practice
of traditional Islam. Traditional Muslims wear traditional Muslim
attire. We are told that Osama hates all Western civilization and
everything American. Yet here is a videotaped statement -- the last
that Americans will be allowed to see -- showing "Osama" wearing the
garb of his enemy.
Just as Churchill did not wear a swastika and a Luftwaffe uniform,
Kennedy did not wear a Cuban uniform and smoke a Cuban cigar, and
Sharon does not wear Yassar Arafat headgear, so Osama bin Laden would
never wear a US Army jacket while addressing a world audience.
The US Army jacket is more evidence that the "Osama bin Laden" in the
al-Jazeera video was a stand-in, and that the video was a complete
hoax. Someone I know put it this way:
"All of the big 'coverups,' Waco, OKC, and WTC, and there are others,
are so deliberately clumsy and so patently implausible, that it is
really inaccurate to call them coverups at all. They are simply
opportunities for the American people to bring to life what they
watch on TV." That is, impossible events depicted on American Tee
Vee have cultivated a national gullibility. Impossible events are
accepted as every-day occurrences.
And that observation leads to this question: Who is more stupid?
Those who design the crazy deceptions, or those who are fooled by
them?
--
Carol A. Valentine
President, Public Action, Inc.
Copyright, October, 2001. May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes.
update2
Osama bin CIA Agent
by Carol A. Valentine
Curator, Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum
http://www.Public-Action.com
Copyright, November, 2001
May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes
November 1, 2001 -- Yeah ... Osama met with the CIA in July, don't
cha know (see story below).
If he did, why are they telling us about it? Answer: Because they
want us to know. Question: Why would they want us to "know"?
Answer: Because it serves their purposes.
The implication that Osama is a CIA agent serves these purposes:
* It denigrates the character of Osama bin Laden.
* It takes the wind out of the sails of those who condemn the
barbaric behavior of USrael towards the Muslim world. "Osama is
really a CIA agent, don't get exercised about it all," is the
implication.
I think there is a 99.9% chance that this story is USraeli disinformation.
Concerning bin Laden's alleged stay in a Dubai hospital, we are told:
" ... the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking the main
elevator of the hospital to go to bin Laden's hospital room.
"A few days later, the CIA man bragged to a few friends about having
visited bin Laden. Authorised sources say that on July 15th, the day
after bin Laden returned to Quetta, the CIA agent was called back to
headquarters."
What? The "local" CIA agent "bragged" about meeting bin Laden? Are
we sure the CIA man didn't get bin Laden's autograph before being
called back to "headquarters"?
Truly, this is really childish. When will they get some decent writers?
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CIA AGENT ALLEGEDLY
MET BIN LADEN IN JULY
From 'Le Figaro' [1 November 2001]
Translated by Tiphaine Dickson
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By Alexandra Richard
(Page 2, October 31st, 2001)
Dubai, one of the seven emirates of the Federation of the United Arab
Emirates, North-East of Abi-Dhabi. This city, population 350,000, was the
backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA
agent in July. A partner of the administration of the American Hospital in
Dubai claims that public enemy number one stayed at this hospital
between the 4th and 14th of July.
Having taken off from the Quetta airport in Pakistan, bin Laden was
transferred to the hospital upon his arrival at Dubai airport. He was
accompanied by his personal physician and faithful lieutenant, who could be
Ayman al-Zawahari--but on this sources are not entirely certain--, four
bodyguards, as well as a male Algerian nurse, and admitted to the American
Hospital, a glass and marble building situated between the Al-Garhoud and
Al-Maktoum bridges.
Each floor of the hospital has two "VIP" suites and fifteen rooms. The Saudi
billionnaire was admitted to the well-respected urology department run by
Teerry Callaway, gallstone and infertility specialist. Dr Callaway declined to
respond to our questions despite several phone calls.
As early as March, 2000, 'Asia Week,' published in Hong Kong, expressed
concern for bin Laden's health, describing a serious medical problem
that could put his life in danger because of "a kidney infection that is
propagating itself to the liver and requires specialized treatment". According to
authorized sources, bin Laden had mobile dialysis equipment shipped to his hideout in
Kandahar in the first part of 2000. According to our sources, bin Laden's
"travels for health reasons" have taken place before. Between 1996 and 1998, bin Laden
made several trips to Dubai on business.
On September 27th, 15 days after the World Trade Center attacks, at the
request of the United States, the Central Bank of the Arab Emirates announced
an order to freeze assts and investments of 26 people or
organisations suspected of mainting contact with bin Laden's organization, and in
particular at the Dubai Islamic Bank.
"Relations between the Emirate and Saudi Arabia have always been very
close," according to sources, "princes of reigning families, having recognized
the Taliban regime, often travelled to Afghanistan. One of the princes of a
ruling family regularily went hunting on the land of bin Laden, whom he had
known and visited for many years."
There are daily flights between Dubai and Quetta by both Pakistan and
Emirates Airlines. As to private planes from Saudi Arabia or from the
Emirates, they regulariy fly to Quetta, where their arrival is
rarely registered in airport logs.
While he was hospitalised, bin Laden received visits from many members of
his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. During the hospital stay,
the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking the main
elevator of the hospital to go to bin Laden's hospital room.
A few days later, the CIA man bragged to a few friends about having visited
bin Laden. Authorised sources say that on July 15th, the day after bin Laden
returned to Quetta, the CIA agent was called back to headquarters.
In late July, Emirates customs agents arrested Franco-Algerian activist Djamel
Beghal at the Dubai airport. In early August, French and American authorities
were advised of the arrest. Interrogated by local authorities in Abu Dhabi,
Beghal stated that he was called to Afghanistan in late 2000 by Abou Zoubeida,
a military leader of bin Laden's organization, Al Qaeda. Beghal's mission:
bomb the US embassy on Gabriel avenue, near the Place de la Concorde, upon
his return to France. According to Arab diplomatic sources as well as French
intelligence, very specific information was transmitted to the CIA with respect to
terrorist attacks against American interests around the world, including on US soil.
A DST report dated 7 September enumerates all the intelligence, and specifies that the
order to attack was to come from Afghanistan.
In August, at the US Embassy in Paris, an emergency meeting was called
between the DGSE (French foreign intelligence service) and senior US
intelligence officials. The Americans were extremely worried, and requested
very specific information from the French about Algerian activists, without
advising their counterparts about the reasons for their requests. To
the question "what do you fear in the coming days?", the Americans kept a
difficult-to-fathom silence.
Contacts between the CIA and bin Laden began in 1979 when, as a
representative of his family's business, bin Laden began recruiting volunteers
for the Afghan resistance against the Red Army. FBI investigators examining
the embassy bombing sites in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam discovered that
evidence led to military explosives from the US Army, and that these
explosives had been delivered threee years earlier to Afghan Arabs, the
infamous international volunteer brigades involved side by side with bin Laden
during the Afghan war against the Red Army.
In the pursuit of its investigations, the FBI discovered "financing
agreements" that the CIA had been developing with its "arab friends" for years.
The Dubai meeting is then within the logic of "a certain American policy".
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Carol A. Valentine
President, Public Action, Inc.
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