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You said:
Sure, some of the folks that you meet at gun shows are Israel-first, “Greatest Generation” patriotards, but some aren’t. ”

—-Keep in mind that regardless of if they agree with you or anybody else on any political thing, they recognize political censorship and political correctness as alien to Liberty. This doesn’t make them an enemy or “tards,” as you assert, but rather examples of a third way which doesn’t follow the extremist path of either the communists currently in power or nationalists who over-emphasize both collectivism and conformity.

Tread lightly when speaking of the only ideology that allows you the freedom to speak, and to win hearts and minds with your arguments and reason, if you have Truth on your side, and to improve you perceptions of reality over time, if your current perceptions are less then fully accurate. Do not spit in the face of Liberty or its representatives. That is a big mistake.

Gunshows are good for buying ammo in bulk, and mostly cheap. Of course, when it comes to a firearm there’s nothing you can’t already get your hands on at a local gunshop — sometimes you may have to special order.

Does anyone have the link to the old VNN ak-47 article, “White Man’s best friend..”

Here in limeyland we don’t have gun meets, (not PC and too masculine, can’t have that), but there are horse ‘n hound, country crafts meetings where if you are lucky there will be a display of shot guns for ‘duck’ shooting. These provide a good opportunity to talk in a low key way about the need for ‘security’.

We tried twice to set up a NA booth at gun shows, but the material had to be approved and naturally it wasn’t. So we went and placed leaflets here and there, inside other books, pockets of items on sale and a few other places. We had witnessed some kind of agents photographing license plates at previous shows, so we park a mile down the road. Its very true that these places are full of agents as well as informants.

Problem is, McQueen, you are no white insurgent. Neither is Jeb. Consorting with strangers is not activism? Consorting with the Choir is though, huh?

You losers will find ANY excuse to not get off your sorry asses and do something. No wonder we are losing.

These are some sorry exchanges to post; I’d be ashamed of them.

Of course the BATF and FBI work gun shows and have done so for years. Do you think they don’t work the Internet, the Web, this site, and the VNN Forum? If you think not then you are a fool, period.

Being a vertibrate has its responsibilities.

Leafleting at gun shows may be accomplished by wearing a sign, front and back, carrying a day pack or other literature case, and being obvious about offering information. That the point of activism is so obviously being missed and not being ridiculed that it underscores the criticism of so called keyboard commandos. You’ve got to kiss a lot of frogs before you find a prince. My guess is that those of you who will only buy a firearm from a FFL dealer or a friend, not to mention being reluctant to be photographed, don’t even have a choir to sing-to, much less essentially an informal militia association who’d come to your aid with even so much as their own camera.

Argentine Mauser: a grand piece. U.S. recruits and non-SWAT police officers, today, don’t like that much recoil, hence the .223. Our forefathers and gun show shoppers frequently are stouter stuff physically and emotionally and that’s why they are watched. My sense is that the vast majority are still pretty politically correct however but certainly a respectable target market to prospect for non-lemmings.

“One reason being that I can always find Argentine M91 ammo!”

“Argentine Mauser: a grand piece. U.S. recruits and non-SWAT police officers, today, don’t like that much recoil, hence the .223. ”

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Here they are once again, the so-called “gun experts” who try to impress everyone with their knowledge of certain obscure firearms……Muh dick is bigguh den yo’ dick……OK, everybody’s thoroughly impressed with your arsenal of weapons. Now what are you going to do with your arsenals, Rambo and Doc Savage? I mean, besides bragging about them like a couple of little 7th grade boys.

Despite what he said on the other thread, I have to agree with what “jeb” said in the first comment. I spent over a decade in the NA and I have been going to gun shows since I was about 13.

I like going to gun shows, even though they are heavily monitored and infiltrated. I honestly don’t see much use for them as “recruiting tools” though. What you get mostly at gun shows are patriotards and gun fetishists, and these people are primarily right-wing conservatives. When they talk revolution it isn’t because they want to dismantle the US system, they talk revolution to reestablish a 1950s style of America that will never exist again. When people like me talk revolution we plan on seeing this system destroyed and replaced by National Socialism/Tribalism.

“Activism” at gun shows probably made more sense back in the 80s and early 90s than it does now. Back then there wasn’t widespread internet and people had to get the info in difficult ways. In the internet age leafleting is outdated and useless. If someone is too lazy to find info on racism and activism on the internet where it is free and anonymous, do you really want their lazy ass on your side anyway? Don’t waste your time and money leafleting, it is a waste of time and money, take it from someone who spent thousands of dollars and hours doing it in the ’90s. If you feel like you want to be an activist, how about contributing to VNN or resist.com or another worthy web presence.

“If someone is too lazy to find info on racism and activism on the internet where it is free and anonymous, do you really want their lazy ass on your side anyway?”

Exactly. I became racially aware years before I had regular access to the Internet. Yet even a lazy prick like me took the time to learn about the Jews and racial issues. So if I could learn what’s going on, even without the Internet, then there’s absolutely no excuse for any White person these days to be ignorant of Jewish power and racial inequality.

Damn Tim! You need to come over and have a beer,calm down. I am no gun expert anyhow,does that make you feel better? I just love the only rifle that I have! You would too if you saw it! It was a total accident. My friend came by and showed it to me,I fell in love right away. He sold it to me for what he paid.It was the first gun I ever owned.

I too did the leaflet thing long ago for the NA. It does not work. I did feel that I was doing something positive at the time. All I did was make the news and get some comments from Metzger during an interview.More than anything it was funny to read peoples reactions,but that isn’t really productive,so I stopped.

Later,I manged to scare a lot of people off by being too forward. (Hey ,guess what,the earth is round,noooooooo).So I am currently re-evaluating my approach.I think I have it !

Dave, you are a good guy. Many people are too thin-skinned and easily provoked, myself included.

I’d like to get a fully functional Schmeisser MP-40. I believe older automatic weapons are legal, but then again if all those Black and Mestizo gangs don’t have to register their state of the art automatic weapons, then why should any White guy have to, either? I’ve got a fully automatic Airsoft MP-40 which almost looks like the real thing. I even got a leather MP-40 sling for it and removed the orange paint from the muzzle nut at the tip of the barrel. The dealer said if I did that the cops could confiscate the gun and destroy it. Well then, I could just unscrew the muzzle nut whenever I put it in the car, couldn’t I?

You’re right, Ralph, a lot of trouble could be easily avoided if pro-White groups like the NA would only investigate the background of each applicant. It’s easy enough to do. Even I could easily obtain info on just about anyone I was interested enough in. They should especially watch their security staff, because those are the first people the Feds will try to “flip”. Just ask Matt Hale. But then again, you can’t ask him, because he is in a Federal SuperMax dungeon where no contact with the outside world is permitted, not even a glimpse of daylight or fresh air.

And Kevin Alfred Strom? WTF was Dr. Pierce thinking????

Too inflitrated to be effective at what? Illegal operations hopefully are not what public forums like VNN or membership organizations like the NA are about.

Dr. Pierce produced tremendously effective propaganda that is still doing its job. His biggest problem, as far as I’ve heard, was a suit by the SPLC.

As far as those that never thought about the problems he wrote and spoke about being able to get the information off the web and therefore there’s no need for activism, I couldn’t agree less.

My sense for the political pursuasion of those frequently gun shows comes from talking with a lot of them, many of whom are vets. Most are pretty conservative but not particularly racially concerned. In fact, many have non-White wives. Firearms are the common ground at those events however and many gun enthusiasts are also interested in military history which is the history of racial conflict to those taught to see it.

Consider the opening of a piece on testing the Argentine Mauser meant to appeal to those he obstensibly understands– fellow militaria buffs:

“Even though it’s in our hemisphere, the average American is woefully ignorant of much of the colorful history of South America–often to our considerable disadvantage. It’s all too easy to fall into the stereotypical trap of regarding most of the area as a collection of oligarchical banana republics or tin-pot dictatorships, fielding armies more suitable for comic operas than for combat. Nothing could be further from the truth.

“Many of the nations in Latin America were in the forefront of military technology, often fielding arms and equipment superior to those of the yanqui republic to the north. There is no better case in point than Argentina.

“In the latter part of the 19th century, territorial disputes with Chile led to something of an arms race between the two countries. Though there were crises aplenty for the better portion of 30 years, fortunately armed conflict was usually avoided. However, this did not stop either country from attempting to supply its forces with the best the European arms merchants had to offer. Argentina was something of a master at this…

“Though shooting about six inches high at 50 yards and four inches at 100, best groups measured 1 1/2 inches at the shorter distance and 3 3/4 inches at the greater. Not bad for a combination of 63-year-old eyes and open sights…”

One of my buddies was issued everything from Lee Enfields to M-14s and, long since retired, only owns is an Argentine Mauser he brought home with him and thinks it a pretty good choice. I like it.

What always surprises me reading these responses are how negative– discouraging– some of y’all apparently like to be. Being disagreeable, insulting, hoping to provoke, whatever, always makes me wonder at whether the writers are just stupid, ignorant of how to encourage and motivate others, or actually trying to make those who post here look like the trash that at least open detractors like to paint racists, whether they are paid disruptors or simply amateur left-liberal activists. Okay, maybe that’s what you mean by infiltrated.

Blackshirt, it’s not necessarily true that the NA was infiltrated at the highest levels. The problem, like Tom Metzger says, is that Dr. Pierce and Commander Rockwell before him were too respectful of law enforcement. They were not snitches or sellouts, they just showed too much deferrence towards authority. For example, Dr. Pierce had no respect for any White activist who went to prison. He thought such people were a blemish on the White Struggle. That kind of snobbery ultimately got the “respectable” NA nowhere.

The problem with ALL membership organizations is that they have membership lists, which can be seized by the authorities. So all those who denigrate “lone wolfism” are, in my opinion, mistaken. At this stage, only underground guerilla resistance is possible or effective. And like Blackshirt says, NEVER LET THE COPS INTO YOUR HOUSE IF THEY DON’T HAVE A WARRANT! And if you are questioned by the police, just tell them “I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY”!!! Don’t be like those suspects on Law and Order, who always confess everything to Ice-T in the interrogation room. Keep your mouth shut, no matter what.

-jc wrote:

“What always surprises me reading these responses are how negative– discouraging– some of y’all apparently like to be. Being disagreeable, insulting, hoping to provoke, whatever, always makes me wonder at whether the writers are just stupid, ignorant of how to encourage and motivate others, or actually trying to make those who post here look like the trash that at least open detractors like to paint racists, whether they are paid disruptors or simply amateur left-liberal activists. Okay, maybe that’s what you mean by infiltrated.”

I don’t know if this is aimed at me, but I feel it is and will respond. If you think what I say is “negative” “discouraging” and “disagreeable” then those are your opinions and you are entitled to them. In defense of myself I have been involved in this struggle for a LONG time, and I feel I have a pretty good idea what works and what doesn’t. When I say leafleting is useless, I’m not saying that from a “negative” or “discouraging” standpoint, I’m saying it coming from experience, years of it and hundreds of dollars wasted later. I’m trying to save newbies from making the same mistakes I made, just like a parent who tries to steer a child away from repeating a mistake the parent made in their youth.

I often get this attitude that I’m being “negative” and “discouraging” from the very same folks who want to see the racial movement continue on with the same ineffective tactics it has been using since the second world war- namely leafleting, marching, wearing uniforms, trying to bring back the Third Reich, voting, etc.

I am not here to “motivate” or “encourage” others. Feel free to do that if you want, I just want you all to abandon useless tactics and to be intelligent in what you do. I don’t have all the answers either, I am just putting my two cents out there to hopefully spur on some thinking out of the box.

Yes, I think I remember that particular ADV broadcast that Dr. Pierce made about “authority worshippers”. But the NA always strove for that damn respectability thing. They reminded me of the Mormons. In fact, a lot of NA were Mormons, I hear. I don’t have any answers, I just know what doesn’t work.

Just once, I’d like to see an episode of Law and Order or some other crime drama where the suspect, preferably a “neo-nazi racist skinhead”, keeps his mouth shut and the detectives just can’t make him talk. Then we could see all the little tricks that the police use to try and get someone to crack…

“We have witnesses who saw what you did and are willing to testify against you in court”…..”Your partner already told us about your involvement in that hate-crime, so if you confess now, maybe the judge will go easy on you”…..”Don’t worry about my partner. He’s just mad because his daughter is going to marry a Black. Just between you and me, I don’t blame you for beating up that nigger”……

But that’ll never happen, because those TV writers are such unimaginative hacks, recycling old story-lines from Hawaii 5-0 and Barnaby Jones. They’re probably a bunch of Jews from Yale or something.

I guess what you’re bascially advocating, JC, is that this website should be more like Stormfart.morgue?

I know! Let’s all move to Dade County and register as Republicans so we can vote for Derek Black aka Don Black Jr.!!!! Then that Dinerstein fellow will really be exasperated, won’t he?

Well, that killed the thread for awhile, didn’t it, big guys.

If people were permanently of whatever persuasion including “Israel-first, ‘Greatest Generation’ patriotards,” there would be no point in recruiting– they’d already be on-board with whatever you’re evangelizing.

Frankly, I’d rather prospect for the occasional intelligent, receptive, but disillusioned man who already knows how to move, shoot, and communicate, to quote Patton, than to try to teach the art of war to the young and the restless and keyboard commandos and those who attack other White activists– including some government trolls here who may be redeemable when they get some life experience.

You know, a really great experience for government agents would be monitoring such boards. Recruiting/evangelism is like prospecting for, say, gold: You look for a little color in a lot of dirt. Like women say about trying to find men among boys: You have to kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince.

I was at a gun show last week and it was not only fun, it gave me a sense for where people are with the current political situation. I’d go to them whether photographed, identified or not. But you can bet the commercial ammo sellers customers are watched. In may states, private sales and private sellers are not monitored and there is no paperwork.

Shows are a good place to browse and get accessories and valuable old stuff for pocket change. If you’ve not handled a Taurus “Judge” because your state considers it a sawed-off shotgun, go to a show in another state; you might move your income there and fuck your state’s tax man.

“‘Activism’ at gun shows probably made more sense back in the 80s and early 90s than it does now. Back then there wasn’t widespread internet and people had to get the info in difficult ways. In the internet age leafleting is outdated and useless. If someone is too lazy to find info on racism and activism on the internet where it is free and anonymous, do you really want their lazy ass on your side anyway?”

Why, yes, I would take clerical, medical, and any other kind of support I could get, just as the military does. As a percentage, few are actual fighters.

Consider, too, that those reached by leafleting are out doing something and, if you get in their face personally and make a halfway decent impression, maybe even engage them in conversation– qualify them with a question before wasting a photocopy or something printed, you may have a much higher success rate. Those who are looking on the Internet already are not necessarily those whom you want to get thinking– realizing that there are others having the same experience of dissatisfaction, disgust, whatever, and that there may be many more, and that there is a movement afoot to do something about it.

Don’t defeat yourselves before you even go out your doors. The salesmen who are successful are the ones making the calls– not phone calls. Managers don’t have to fire those who take the shortcuts or wait for their phone to ring; such men recognize their own failure and move on but blame the customers who are too busy doing what they do and simply need a sales call (a visit).

Tim McGreen Says:
18 March, 2010 at 7:51 am

“Beware, everyone! JC is posting selected comments from this thread on vnnforum.com! What’s he up to this time?”

The dreaded VNN Forum Gun Show Activism thread is here: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=108837&highlight=McGreen

Then have a look at names in the Members List folder under the Community tab. Perhaps others and absolutely I would be interested in how other “activists” smoke out possible varmints.