18 August, 2009

FBI Trained Turner

Posted by Socrates in agent provocateurs, Socrates, white nationalism, White Nationalists at 11:51 pm | Permanent Link

Notice that federal agencies don’t usually target Marxist people/groups, even though they are more extreme than WNs [1]:

[Article].

[1] although the federal cops do target animal-rights terrorists


  • 43 Responses to “FBI Trained Turner”

    1. Blackshirt Says:

      … And how many more agent provocateurs are still out there moving amongst us? This is why Leaderless Resistance/Lone Wolf strategy is the way to go. The time for organizations, marches, uniforms, and flags is over.

    2. Mega Therion Says:

      Exactly. Organizations are rife with rats…the sad creatures who put on outfits are mental midgets who like to make pretend.

      Let’s take a trip back in time. In May-July 1995, I was getting TONS of unsolicited mail from “resistance organizations” and other various quasi-militia outfits. Every other day, a new fuckin group to join…now let’s see, May-July 1995, hmmm why was that such a busy period…

      Because of April 19,1995. A little event in Oklahoma City occurred. Now isn’t it rather ODD, that these militia groups instead of going underground,suddenly become active recruiters!!!!

      Well…it’s obvious,that these “groups” weren’t sending the letters. It was a Fed fishing expedition. I’ve always wondered how many fools communicated back. There are some obvious lost causes(ZOG) on this board, who would.

      TRUST NOBODY.

    3. New America Says:

      in reply to Blackshirt:

      you wrote:

      … And how many more agent provocateurs are still out there moving amongst us?

      in reply:
      It is more correct to simply assume that your every word, your every deed, is being recorded by one agency or another.

      It’s certainly true for the Racially Conscious Community when we are on the Internet.

      All the more reason to show them something worthwhile.

      Better Ideas for the White Race, and how to make them a Reality, for example.

      After all, the basic test for the agent provocatuer is that he (or she, as I suspect will be the case more often in the future) is that they lead you into doing something that they would not do themselves.

      There’s a reason for that.

      Hence, Dr. David Duke’s masterful advice:

      “When someone discusses you doing something remotely illegals, look at them, and tell them (loudly enough for their microphones to pick up), “Get away from me! I don’t know what you are talking about!” If they follow you, tell them, “Don’t follow me. Leave me alone. I’m going to the police!”

      PS – if they mention any sort of action involving the judiciary – ANY judiciary – just run for your life…

      Or you might DO life!

      you wrote:

      This is why Leaderless Resistance/Lone Wolf strategy is the way to go. The time for organizations, marches, uniforms, and flags is over.

      in reply:
      The time for organization is actually here.

      The way things are going, after the Obamanation crashed the economy, the Faithful Colored Companions won’t be able to run for dogcatcher in Detroit.

      Harold Covington discusses the Leaderless Resistance/Lone Wolf models with various organizational models in his Northwest Republic Quadrology.

      Now, THAT is an example of lighting a candle, versus cursing the darkness!

      All we have to be is better than our competition.

      That is not all that difficult.

      Fourteen Forever

    4. Blackshirt Says:

      New America, you had a half way decent commentary until you got to this part:

      “Harold Covington discusses the Leaderless Resistance/Lone Wolf models with various organizational models in his Northwest Republic Quadrology.”

      Good grief, another plug for Covington? Dude, please give it a rest.

    5. New America Says:

      in reply to Blackshirt:

      you wrote:

      New America, you had a half way decent commentary until you got to this part:

      “Harold Covington discusses the Leaderless Resistance/Lone Wolf models with various organizational models in his Northwest Republic Quadrology.”

      Good grief, another plug for Covington? Dude, please give it a rest.

      in reply:
      The basic response to “Leaderless Resistance/Lone Wolf” is that neither have accomplished anything.

      A more considered response is that IF – and this is a very big IF – we focus on developing our skills and abilities AS IF we were the Leaderless Resistance, AS IF we were to be Lone Wolves, then we would be bettering ourselves, for our Race.

      A yet more nuanced response would note that all of our activities need to be placed in a Context that is greater than we can imagine, and would be the work – the best work – of a well-spent lifetime to fulfill.

      Hence, instead of running around trying to become Alpha Males with no greater focus for our energies, we can put all of our efforts at self-improvement in a broader context that would allow us to discipline ourselves, focus our development, and make the world a Brighter, Whiter place, for our Race.

      Organization, however limited, beats disorganization, any day of the week.

      Let’s assume that, somehow, all of the Leaderless Resistance/Lone Wolf operations suddenly came to perfect fruition simultaneously, and all of our Racial Enemies disappeared from the face of our continent.

      As Peter Schaenk so astutely noted…

      THEN What?

      Why aren’t you doing that TODAY?

      Why aren’t you developing your skills and abilities, you potential Leadership skills and abilities, your Wolf Mindset, you Wolf Talents, today, in the fulfillment of a much greater purpose, a Purpose that has an entire Nation ready for YOU to step in, and fulfill your Destiny?

      More to follow.

      (Incidentally, what future do you think Race Traitor Hal Turner has? How much better to leave him, a beaten failure, in the past, in the mud, while we offer OUR Posterity “Honor, Discipline, and the Stars?”)

      Fourteen Forever

    6. Diamed Says:

      Covington is awesome, I just finished reading his last book of the quartet today.

      Various questions aside, Covington makes two conclusions that seem impossible to deny:

      1. Only violence will ever secure a white homeland. No one is going to give it to us.

      2. The emptiest, largest, most white, and thus most easily secured corner of America is in Alaska and the Northwest.

      Do you have anything against those conclusions? I can’t imagine a sane disagreement with either of these vital points.

    7. Blackshirt Says:

      New America, the system LOVES people like you who promote organizations. FBI agents are becoming new members daily ;-)

      “The basic response to “Leaderless Resistance/Lone Wolf” is that neither have accomplished anything.”

      And my basic response to that is that old right wing tactics have accomplished NOTHING over 60+ YEARS. Like Tom Metzger says, organizations are “eat, meet, and retreat.”

      Lone Wolf/Leaderless resistance doesn’t work, eh? Like him or not, Timothy McVeigh seemed to get his point across. Imagine if we had hundreds of people just like him? The US government would be on it’s knees.

    8. Mega Therion Says:

      Yes…A couple of hundred McVeighs and thousands of James Hubertys would be a breath of fresh air. Huberty is woefully underrated and underpraised by WNs. The guy wasted Mexi-coons! A fuckin prophet as far as I’m concerned..

    9. Blackshirt Says:

      Mega, you are right. And let’s not forget the Order or Joseph Paul Franklin. Lone Wolf tactics and Leaderless Resistance works so long as you go about things in an intelligent manner. The Order wouldn’t have been caught without them making a few dumb mistakes that blew their cover.

      The system isn’t scared of organizations, New America. The system is SCARED SHITLESS of Leaderless Resistance and Lone Wolf tactics. Don’t believe me? Check out what the FBI and the SPLC have to say about it. I don’t see them worrying about Covington’s followers, that’s for sure! LOL ;-)

    10. New America Says:

      in reply to Blackshirt:

      you wrote:

      New America, the system LOVES people like you who promote organizations. FBI agents are becoming new members daily ;-)

      “The basic response to “Leaderless Resistance/Lone Wolf” is that neither have accomplished anything.”

      And my basic response to that is that old right wing tactics have accomplished NOTHING over 60+ YEARS. Like Tom Metzger says, organizations are “eat, meet, and retreat.”

      in reply:
      Organizations win.

      Ask the FBI.

      The key is to form the relationship with the organization so that it works with you, and you with it, to fulfill a greater purpose.

      Remember, the purpose of the Northwest Republic Initiatives is NOT to engage in any act whatsoever against the United States of America.

      The purpose is to lay the groundwork for creating and sustaining the personal and organizational framework necessary for forming a Northwest Republic, so, if the opportunity presents itself, we are READY.

      In the worst case, we are the best citizens the states of the Northwest could hope to have.

      In the best case, we are the founders of a New Nation.

      Organization makes it happen.

      you wrote:

      Lone Wolf/Leaderless resistance doesn’t work, eh? Like him or not, Timothy McVeigh seemed to get his point across. Imagine if we had hundreds of people just like him? The US government would be on it’s knees.

      in reply:
      McVeigh accomplished exactly WHAT?

      The National Alliance watched as membership growth became negative, and members fled out of fear.

      McVeigh accomplished exactly WHAT?

      Nothing good, for the Cause.

      Nothing good, at all.

      Suppose he hadn’t been so easily manipulated, and had put his efforts into bettering himself, for the day he took his place as a Citizen in an all-White, Racially Conscious Community that would be the living foundation of the Northwest Republic?

      Organization wins.

      Discipline wins.

      Focus wins.

      Having the greatest of goals – our own Racial Homeland in the Northwest -provides the greatest possible Framework for your efforts, and the greatest Analytical Framework in which to measure all of your acts against the fulfillment of your personal and Racial Destiny.

      Fourteen Forever.

    11. Igor Alexander Says:

      “although the federal cops do target animal-rights terrorists”

      I’m not fond of the “animal rights” movement, but I suspect a reason their activists may be targeted by the Feds is because they attack fur farms, and the fur business is largely run by kikes.

    12. Mega Therion Says:

      Great call,Blackshirt. The Order have been heroes of mine since they wasted Alan Berg( I was only 8 when it happened) and of course, Mr Franklin is a legend. A truly versatility in his target selection, the inter-species couples he bagged being particularly refreshing turn. The man is an inspiration…and the JEW media knows this,hence the absolute paucity of material available about him.

    13. Igor Alexander Says:

      “Like him or not, Timothy McVeigh seemed to get his point across. Imagine if we had hundreds of people just like him? The US government would be on it’s knees.”

      I can only agree with this.

    14. New America Says:

      in reply to Blackshirt:

      you wrote:

      Mega, you are right. And let’s not forget the Order or Joseph Paul Franklin. Lone Wolf tactics and Leaderless Resistance works so long as you go about things in an intelligent manner. The Order wouldn’t have been caught without them making a few dumb mistakes that blew their cover.

      in reply:
      Your example makes my point.

      The Order failed.

      The Order was informed on from within, and Mathews himself was set up.

      Lane stated that, if he had it all to do over again, he would have developed small White businesses, connected them, and developed White communities around them.

      Ironically, that is the exact tactic that has worked so well for the Jews over the centuries.

      They have “Israel,” and we have a Northwest Republic.

      They DO have Israel, and We have a Destiny.

      you wrote:

      The system isn’t scared of organizations, New America. The system is SCARED SHITLESS of Leaderless Resistance and Lone Wolf tactics. Don’t believe me? Check out what the FBI and the SPLC have to say about it. I don’t see them worrying about Covington’s followers, that’s for sure! LOL ;-)

      in reply:
      Leaderless Resistance and Lone Wolf efforts, as currently practiced, are the perfect rationalization for implementing Martial Law.

      Again, Look what happened to The Order.

      Let’s not lead with the jaw, shall we?

      Peter Schanek said it best:

      Without firing a shot, using control of the words we hear and the pictures we see, the Jews took over America in less than a century.

      We can learn from that example, and Do Something about it.

      Without firing a shot.

      Covington defined the highest and best of all solutions to our Racial Dilemma – the opportunity to define our own Racial Homeland.

      Fourteen Forever

    15. Igor Alexander Says:

      “McVeigh accomplished exactly WHAT?”

      I wouldn’t say that McVeigh specifically accomplished much, but imagine that he had parked that bomb outside of say, the D.C. holocaust museum… Would that have been an accomplishment? Maybe.

    16. Blackshirt Says:

      New America says:

      “Suppose he hadn’t been so easily manipulated, and had put his efforts into bettering himself, for the day he took his place as a Citizen in an all-White, Racially Conscious Community that would be the living foundation of the Northwest Republic?”

      So someone’s value to the White struggle is based on what they do for laying the foundation for Covington’s Northwest Republic? HAHAHA!

      New America, do you eat, sleep, and breathe Harold Covington? Like I have said before I have a hard time believing anyone with his nose so far up Covington’s ass isn’t Covington himself, but Will Williams says you aren’t, so I believe him. But with that said, your love for Covington is cult-like and beyond weird.

    17. Blackshirt Says:

      “Covington defined the highest and best of all solutions to our Racial Dilemma – the opportunity to define our own Racial Homeland.”

      Dude, keep drinkin’ the cool aide!

    18. New America Says:

      in reply to all McVeigh supporters:

      Ask yourself one simple question.

      How long did it take the FBI to pick up McVeigh after Oklahoma City?

      Was it months?

      Was it weeks?

      Was it days?

      No.

      It was HOURS.

      If THAT is your example of effectiveness, congratulations.

      I suspect the FBI would agree with you.

      THEIR effectiveness, and our (what else?) ineffectiveness.

      What’s Ol’ Tim doing these days?

      What COULD he be doing in a Northwest Republic, as part of the Racially Conscious Community in a Racial Homeland?

      We’ll never know, will we?

      Fourteen Forever.

    19. Blackshirt Says:

      Igor Alexander says:

      ““Like him or not, Timothy McVeigh seemed to get his point across. Imagine if we had hundreds of people just like him? The US government would be on it’s knees.”

      I can only agree with this.”

      ““McVeigh accomplished exactly WHAT?”

      I wouldn’t say that McVeigh specifically accomplished much, but imagine that he had parked that bomb outside of say, the D.C. holocaust museum… Would that have been an accomplishment? Maybe.”

      Good point. Sure McVeigh didn’t accomplish a whole lot on the face of things, but psychologically he crossed the threshold for America. He was the first to make a significant attack and retribution on the criminal federal government. Psychologically that is a very powerful statement that will bear more fruit in the coming years, I believe.

    20. Igor Alexander Says:

      First off, let’s not get obsessed with Tim McVeigh here. We’re just speaking generally about the use of violence, not about his particular case. It’s quite possible that McVeigh got set up, and that the Oklahoma City bombing was a false-flag operation.

      Second of all, so what if he got picked up within hours? So what if he got executed? It would of course have been better for him if he hadn’t, but a man doesn’t do that sort of thing if he’s not willing to put his life on the line for it.

    21. Mega Therion Says:

      I hate to mention the little fact, that the Northwestern USA is LOADED with pro-Zionist,neo-con,God squaders,GOP tards…WHO HATE US.

    22. Blackshirt Says:

      New America said:

      “Leaderless Resistance and Lone Wolf efforts, as currently practiced, are the perfect rationalization for implementing Martial Law.”

      And how would that be a bad thing? Think about it. Martial Law hasn’t been declared in this country since the reconstruction era South where there was martial law after the Civil War. Martial law would bring a tremendous amount of resentment out of the populace and possibly escalate tensions into all out conflict. I suspect that declaring martial law would be the LAST thing the US government would want to do- they aren’t that stupid- it really would be playing into our hands.

      Good point, Mega. I never understood the obsession with the Northwest. As far as I know you have some of the most Social Marxist cities out there like Seattle and Portland. Don’t they even have a gook governor in Washington? No thanks, I’ll stay in the Northeast.

    23. Mega Therion Says:

      Exactly,Blackshirt…Seattle and Portland are like northern outposts of San Francisco. Total freak and creep scene. Asians of all sorts are crawling throughout the region, Vancouver was a SARS epicenter. Seattle has been an open sewer for a long time.

    24. Garrett Says:

      Fuck the Chinks in the northeast

    25. Vaultner Says:

      Lone Wolfism is a success because in informs & educates without presenting an all threatening organization to governmental authority.

      Organizations are either started by or infiltrated by government agents very early on.

      The Order failed because a registered handgun was dropped at the scene of a crime & traced back by the serial number.

      Timothy McVeigh got his message across simply by backing up the Posse Comitatus Act that they cannot use government troops against civilians, & that it is not funny to shoot & kill a mother holding her infant & wish they’d shot the child too as the ATF did on Ruby Ridge. The other catalyst for his actions was Waco Texas.

      In my opinion Hal Turner has been served up by the FBI as a smoke screen. Like in the Star Wars movies there are always two evil Jedi never one, well I think they showed us the apprentice. There have been far too many maladies in this so-called movement for far too long to blame it all on Turners limited term involvement.

      & fuck Covington you guys might as well be reading GOR trilogies & listening to Frank Zappa fuckin hop heads.

    26. Glenn Miller Says:

      Unite, organize, and educate. Just like Hitler did. We must come together, physically inside a racialist, political party and unite the white masses. Everything else is just talk – the same defeatist paranoia repeated over and over again ever since WN forums began, and the same “valuable intellectual” yellow bullshit decades from now.

      We gotta man-up. There are no substitutes for balls.

    27. Howdy Doody Says:

      Mega Therion Says:

      19 August, 2009 at 2:29 am

      I hate to mention the little fact, that the Northwestern USA is LOADED with pro-Zionist,neo-con,God squaders,GOP tards…WHO HATE US.

      ===========================

      The Oregonian, a State wide paper was purchased from White owners in 1941.

      This State was solid common sense and GREAT! What happened? Media, and the Universities 1964-75 were HOT BED’s leftist/MARXIST get Whitey training centers.

      RADICAL communists ORGANIZING messycans in 1968=74 When there was NONE % wise.

      The State Capital/Marion County actually got a Messycan sherriff, or had one a couple of years ago.

      Look at who runs the state education department.

      Neil Goldsmuck the WORST governor this STATE ever suffered gave up his Law license, when it became public he screwed a 14 year old.

    28. 2050 Says:

      Blackshirt~ you have it exactly. At least that’s what I first think, having read the words of Beam and Metzger. But that is rife with troubles too. Such as being picked of one by one group by group after ‘actions’ have been taken and tried as criminals and terrorists. If McVeigh was a Lone Wolf, (and I’m not convinced that he wasn’t working for the fedgov though he may have also been the victim of an agent provocateur), no one followed up with more lone wolf action. Effectively negating anything he thought he had accomplished. It only helped the state gain more ‘tools’ (meaning new laws that skirt the Bill of Rights.)

      Of course shit like this Turner guy(i never listened to him, I found his website retarted and he wanted money to listen) makes people fear joining any org and getting on the FBI’s list. Forever having to watch every little thing you say, for fear of the power of the Feds being brought down on you. They have made us organizing anything almost impossible.

      M T~ My understanding was that the militias DID go underground back then, maybe someone was trying to collect names of ‘activists’ or at least of ones who were fed up enough to try to join with others they thought were like-minded.

      As for the Northwest Imperative. I heard about that long ago and always thought it was kind of a good idea. I never heard of Covington, and I don’t give a shit about him or any of the surrounding drama. Only if the idea is worth considering. A poster on VNN once posited the idea of doing pretty much the same thing in Wyoming. His idea was that a few thousand WNs could move there and vote as a bloc and gain political control.

      These aren’t bad ideas. They may not be The Answer we need, but so far nothing else has worked.

      New America said

      A yet more nuanced response would note that all of our activities need to be placed in a Context that is greater than we can imagine, and would be the work – the best work – of a well-spent lifetime to fulfill.

      That’s good^^

      You said:
      Lane stated that, if he had it all to do over again, he would have developed small White businesses, connected them, and developed White communities around them.

      Any ideas from Lane are worth trying.

      I also like the idea of a white political party. But any will be shot down early as kooks. I know some places back in Kentucky and that area where whites are racially conscious. Enough people will never join organizations. That’s for activists. They will vote with a white party if it could be presented to them without the jew spin.
      Fat chance, so it doesn’t look good for us.

    29. Al Gator Says:

      To All,

      Its my opinion, and its just an opinion, that Timmy had nothing to do with National Alliance, other than to use them to an end. It is my opinion that he was a pair of hands used for a Hussein hit at the heart of the US. I have many reasons for that opinion, and if anyone is interested, we can compare notes and have a discussion.

      On the other hand, over the years I have found that the best way to counter all this nonsense, is to reclaim white kids. By that I mean by educating them and reminding them that their ancestors went so far as to walk on the moon. I try to re instill pride in their race. I urge that they give up aping the culture found on the talmudvision and get back to basics. Learn English, and speak it well, learn math as best as your ability permits. And above all, seek out and learn the truth about where you came from and NEVER feel guilty about who and what you are. Ever.

      The internet is a good tool, but don’t trust it. It is full of propaganda and the such.

      An educated and informed generation of white kids who know who they are and from where they come, and don’t go around with pants half down going “yo yo yo homey” or “you go girl” and shake hands instead of “slappin skin”, is most best weapon we have against this concerted effort to marginalize and then eliminate whites in this country.

      There is not one thing here in this process that is illegal. And guess what? Let the infiltrators hear and see and know what you are doing, you may be able make them see sense too.

    30. Coup d'Etat Says:

      Much of the FBI are working for jews. That’s the biggest problem. Jews (SPLC, ADL, and the rest of the hebe bunch) are having the FBI get front people like Turner do their dirty job.

      How many more people are going to be jailed who signed up on his website and became buddies with him? This will be interesting to see. All those individuals who trusted him and gave him money should be a little worried. From the beginning I thought he was too neurotic to be trusted. And, then you have others who may be worth following, but may also be working for the FBI while putting on a good show.

      You can’t trust anyone. Not until all the communist slobs are out of existence.

    31. Blackshirt Says:

      Glenn Miller Says:

      “Unite, organize, and educate. Just like Hitler did. We must come together, physically inside a racialist, political party and unite the white masses. Everything else is just talk – the same defeatist paranoia repeated over and over again ever since WN forums began, and the same “valuable intellectual” yellow bullshit decades from now.

      We gotta man-up. There are no substitutes for balls.”

      YOU HAVE TO BE SHITTING ME. YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVEN’T LEARNED A THING FROM THE FAILURES OF THE PAST 60 YEARS. Is this the same Glenn Miller who is known as a snitch? The same Glenn Miller who worked for the feds?

    32. Blackshirt Says:

      Reply from Tom Metzger to me about this thread:

      I can’t believe they’re still listening to the Rabbi Covington. The only thing he’s ever been is a wordsmith. I’m not going to go over all the evidence about him. It’s all been said before. I won’t debate leaderless resistance or lone Wolf. I can only point out that the feds seem to be extremely concerned with it. It’s also being used by people in many other countries, and I must say pretty successfully.

      I get a kick out of people who say, what have they done? It is not the job of long wolves to hire a press agent or put out press releases.First you crawl, then you walk. First it seemed a every good number of people needed to be convinced that the tactic was workable by its very nature. It works slowly without exposing itself.. I don’t know what Covington is expecting to happen. So he can tell, his Federal handlers like he did in Raleigh, North Carolina. Of couse he wants above groud organizations.So does the Nigger attorney general.

      The last time I saw a picture of Covington he was so damn fat he could not possibly have been a lone wolf or even have trouble getting out of a chair.lol Anyhow there is no argument. Those who believe in Lone Wolf leaderless resistance proceed at periscope depth. Those that don’t agree are free to continue with what the right wing’s been doing for 60 years. Their are no hooks in anybodies asses. Tom Metzger

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    33. Mega Therion Says:

      Blackshirt,

      Yeah it’s HIM. Snitch, coopperated with feds…he’s going to give us a lecture about sticking together.

      I wish this Glenn Miller would go the way of the band leader.

    34. New America Says:

      in reply to Terrible Tommy Metzger:

      I can’t believe they’re still listening to the Rabbi Covington. The only thing he’s ever been is a wordsmith. I’m not going to go over all the evidence about him. It’s all been said before. I won’t debate leaderless resistance or lone Wolf. I can only point out that the feds seem to be extremely concerned with it. It’s also being used by people in many other countries, and I must say pretty successfully.

      in reply:
      I have spoken of the one element of Leaderless Resistance/Lone Wolf that I admire, and that is people taking the initiative to actually make something of themselves.

      That IS a vast improvement over the status quo.

      you wrote:

      I get a kick out of people who say, what have they done? It is not the job of long wolves to hire a press agent or put out press releases.First you crawl, then you walk. First it seemed a every good number of people needed to be convinced that the tactic was workable by its very nature. It works slowly without exposing itself.. I don’t know what Covington is expecting to happen. So he can tell, his Federal handlers like he did in Raleigh, North Carolina. Of couse he wants above groud organizations.So does the Nigger attorney general.

      in reply:
      Tom hasn’t read Covington.

      Fortunately, I have, so I’ll clear up this misunderstanding now.

      You MUST have some sort of above-ground political organization if you want to actually accomplish something.

      It can work hand-in-glove with other groups, organization, or even Ghost Wolves, by providing them with the techniques to be effective people, for themselves, their Family, and their Race.

      you wrote:

      The last time I saw a picture of Covington he was so damn fat he could not possibly have been a lone wolf or even have trouble getting out of a chair.lol Anyhow there is no argument. Those who believe in Lone Wolf leaderless resistance proceed at periscope depth. Those that don’t agree are free to continue with what the right wing’s been doing for 60 years. Their are no hooks in anybodies asses. Tom Metzger

      in reply:
      That’s a false assumption, leading to a false choice.

      There is a vast range of choices, both personal and organizational, between the Ghost Wolves and above-ground political organizations.

      The two are not at all mutually exclusive – quite the contrary!

      You are right in your criticism of the right wing, and the CONservatives.

      I suspect your intellectual growth in this area is not far removed from Jack London’s, and that is a compliment.

      you wrote:

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      in reply:
      “FREE SUBSCRIPTION?”

      Subscribe?

      Mailing list?

      Isn’t that a form of…

      Organization?

      Fourteen Forever

    35. Angryyoungman Says:

      I’ll openly admit that 2-3 years ago I wouldn’t have expected Turner to be an informant, especially an agent provocateur.

      The only things I can gleam from this situation are a few.

      If a person has been directly involved with the Republican or Democratic parties within the last five years, do not allow them to be involved with any high leveled position in any organization, especially as a mouthpiece. Anyone who has aspirations in the current political structure must be regarded as self serving and aggrandizing, as most in the political party are. (I say party because the Democraps and Repugnantcans are now and have been the same thing since Roosevelt, they just have different approaches to their shared goal.)

      Anyone who threatens violence on any individual must be kicked out and ignored. Talking big and getting legal attention is the dumbest and most wasteful mistake one in our movement can make.

      Lastly, for those who enjoy direct action and not paperwork, lone wolf and small cells are the way to go.

    36. Blackshirt Says:

      New America,

      Metzger only takes subscriptions using a e-mail address, so there is anonymity. He knows no one’s names or physical addresses unless they reveal that to him.

    37. Luek Says:

      If Hal Turner was a snitch for the FBI it didn’t do him a hell of a lot of good!

      Hal may be suffering from so called “Stockholm Syndrome” where the victim tries to identify with the persecutor. He is under a lot of strain and he just may have reached his cracking point.

    38. New America Says:

      in reply to Luek:

      you wrote:

      If Hal Turner was a snitch for the FBI it didn’t do him a hell of a lot of good!

      in reply:
      IF?

      Is there ANY doubt?

      It certainly did not do any of us any good.

      Can you imagine him at, say, Aryanfest, and telling the guys something like this:

      “Hey, man, let me get a picture of you. Got a phone number where I can reach you? By the way, those are some impressive tattoos you’ve got there? Can I take a close-up picture of those tats, just to show the wife? Yeah, thanks. By the way, if I call that phone number, and ask for you, do you have some kind of a nickname or something? That’s great. Thanks.”

      Why do I think a short while later updated pictures, with names, nicknames, contact phone numbers, and updated tattoos for really good ID are all in the hands of someone with FBOne?

      And, for all of you refer to the FBI as “Famous But Incompetent,” well, looks like they win again!

      you wrote:

      Hal may be suffering from so called “Stockholm Syndrome” where the victim tries to identify with the persecutor. He is under a lot of strain and he just may have reached his cracking point.

      in reply:
      I suspect that Race Traitor Hal Turner is not suffering from “so-called Stockholm Syndrome.”

      I suspect Race Traitor Hal Turner is suffering from “so-called Stupid Syndrome.”

      Read my points regarding the power of the judiciary.

      Anyone foolish enough to target members of the judiciary by name, much less suggest any sort of activism involving them personally, is either a damn fool, or an agent provocatuer.

      Or both.

      IF Race Traitor Hal Turner actually said, in so many words, that FBI agents – who he named – actually took his side in a discussion with THEIR superiors over whether they had the right to arrest him due to lack of probable cause, then we shall have some exciting moments at trial.

      Once again, Children:

      If it comes to a conflict between the abilities of Race Traitor Hal Turner, and FBOne, ask yourself this simple question:

      Who is behind bars tonight?

      “Famous, But Incompetent?”

      No.

      “Famous, and Effective.”

      Ask Race Traitor Hal Turner.

      Then, ask Artie Wheeler, and Grandmother Elizabeth, what THEY think about Race Traitor Hal Turner.

      Now.

      Fourteen Forever.

    39. New America Says:

      Angryyoungman GETS IT!

      you wrote:
      *snip*

      Anyone who threatens violence on any individual must be kicked out and ignored. Talking big and getting legal attention is the dumbest and most wasteful mistake one in our movement can make.

      *snip*

      in reply:
      Tattoo THAT on the inside of your skull!

      THAT is the Big Lesson for one and all.

      ANYONE who threatens the use of force against the agents of the government, or the government itself, with the most powerful military force in the history of the world, and incredibly sophisticated intelligence abilities, is as much a threat to you as he is to himself, and MUST be shunned at all costs.

      COMPREHENSION:

      As Peter Schaenk so astutely noted, the Jews took over America in less than a century, without firing a shot, through control of the words you hear and the picture you see.

      You CAN Do Something about that, and Covington has the biggest, and best, answer.

      Fourteen Forever

    40. Vaultner Says:

      Luek said:

      “Hal may be suffering from so called “Stockholm Syndrome” where the victim tries to identify with the persecutor. He is under a lot of strain and he just may have reached his cracking point.”

      Maybe but his lawyer said he was working for the government from 02 to 07 not a recent development.

      Anyway I think that’s what jewboyamerikwa’s doing locked up in Covingtons basement. Admit it jewboy this is how you get a PB&J sandwich huh? LOL

    41. Curt O'brian Says:

      New America must be ok.The G men, gay men – government men, are against him.

    42. Z.O.G. Says:

      Wow, I can’t believe you guys are actually promoting the myth of the OKC bombing and the idea that Timothy McVeigh was some sort of White racialist fighting against Jewish tyranny.

      You guys are so ignorant it’s scary, and I think several of you are actually provocateurs. :-(

    43. Vaultner Says:

      O.K., Z.O.G.,
      What do you think happened?

      Since I know by McVeigh’s own admission it was because of Waco & Ruby Ridge & he trained at a certain White Nationalist camp & was in videos of this training & a young lady there was actually a FED or an informer & likely turned him in go ahead & enlighten us.