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Adam made some useful comments that nonetheless fall short of the mark that Grimm just flat nailed.

Patrick Grimm wrote:

The odiousness of the machine is due to those who fuel it. Big Jewry, a vast network composed of criminal Jews who are aided by their willing (or unwilling) non-Jewish accomplices, works the gears, the wheels, the levers, indeed the entire apparatus. They own it, they run it and their greatest goal is to destroy freedom, to destroy dissenting speech, to destroy chastity, to crush humility underfoot, to despoil virtue and to stymie and put a brake to the notion of freedom of conscience and thought. Honesty, inquiry, history and reality must be altered or erased if they don’t nicely conform to the machine’s ultimate agenda of destruction.

Adam replied, in part:

The first sentence is wrong. The odiousness of the machine is due to the nature of the machine. If the Jew did not exist, the machine would have to invent him. Indeed “Big Jew” is entirely a product of the machine, and would not exist at all without it. He is the inhumanity of the machine made into flesh. Dispose of him and leave the machine intact, and it will only clone a successor.

in reply:
No, Grimm got it right, and his analysis is a microcosm of a far greater issue that needs to be addressed in several parts.

A larger issue is something that I had addressed, peripherally and in some small part, on the incompetence of the males who are continually and actively undermined by “The System.”

THE larger issue, I think, can be summed up in one Idea:

We did not leave America.

America left us.

And yet, without us, without the classic Patriarchal model as the framework for Cultural development, Civilization falls, and it falls slowly, at first, and then swallows the most productive parts of itself, by the least productive parts of itself.

You can see this in America today, where, as Peter Schaenk so astutely observed, “We are devolving, and this is deliberate.” We see that power grids are softly failing, and roads are being turned back top gravel roads, because of the dramatically lower cost of the gravel roads. Sounds like something out of Atlas Shrugged, doesn’t it?

Civilization is in decline in the West, because Men are declining in value for The System.

Look at the points of greatest social failure; the matriarchal Negro social order, reflected in the villages called ghettos.

Look at how Christianity – when it was Masculine, in the days of Martel, Huss, Luther, Calvin – shaped Western Civilization and helped carry it forward.

See how JUDEO-Christianity – Feminine “Christianity,” if you will – has surrendered to a soft process of gelding, to the point that homosexuals are in the leadership of the Episcopal Church, and lesbians do very well in the Methodist Church.

And both of these Mainline Protestant denominations are dying, falling demographically to the relentlessly Masculine imperatives of Islam, in Europe, and college football, in America.

Grimm, correctly wants to destroy The Machine, The JUDEO-American social, economic and political order.

He does not have to.

It will do that on its own accord, but will try to destroy the lives of ourselves, and our Families, as the Priesthood of Moloch tries to destroy all that is good, in the service of all that is evil.

Again, this is where Linder had the best Idea:

The framework that we are using has been provided FOR us, by our Racial Enemies. By explicitly accepting their conceptions, we implicitly accept their values, their Definitions of US, who and what we are, and who and what we should be.

It is ALL a damn lie, based on using our own Gifts, Talents and Powers AGAINST us, like the energy generating Undead of The Matrix.

Linder used a powerful phrase – the paste-glass jewel of middle-class respectability.

It’s just perfect, because the middle class adopted paste-glass values, and treated them as jewel, as Pearls of Great Price.

And the destruction of the middle class – and the era of Conspicuous Consumption that was its hallmark – will show just what plans The System had in store for us, all along.

The sum of more than half a century of Tom Metzger’s fight for our Race was defined in Metzger’s Insight, which is so important it should be tattooed on the inside of our skulls:

“WE LET THIS HAPPEN TO US.”

THAT is where the power was, and could be, if we addressed all of our issues, not merely in terms of what “They” are doing to “Us,” but what WE are going to DO about it?

THAT is where the union of responsibility, power and effectiveness come together to lay the foundation for great things to happen.

The Puritans at Plymouth Rock had no idea that their efforts would lead to Man setting foot on the Moon, and returning – the greatest technological feat in the history of the world, and one from which we have retreated, on the advice of our Racial Enemies.

The largest, most solid Analytical Framework was given to us by Harold Covington, in his Northwest Republic Analytical Model.

Accepting the responsibility to ACT within this Framework, with every deed, no matter how small, placed in the context of the Framework, with the guiding light of the Fourteen Words, will lay the foundation for overcoming The System by creating a new, better System.

I’ll deal with the rest of Grimm’s commentary, and Adam’s analysis, later.

Fourteen Forever.

An interesting article by Grimm. The debate seems to be this; is big jew the architect of the machine, as Grimm says, or is he merely the current custodian with an oily rag attending to the machine’s needs, as Adam sees it??

My own ten cents worth is that the machine is neutral and has only taken on its hostile course under the malevolent guidance of big jew.

“We let this happen to us” only to the extent that the White world has for many years been without White leadership, jews made certain that our potential leaders were killed off in their wars.

New America, there are few, very few, converts to Islam in Europe. The globalists are having to import them. There is however an insane obsession with sports, masculine or otherwise.

Adam, your proposition has much merit, particularly the example of scientific birth control, I can’t argue with the conclusions. But in my opinion technology is neutral because it is only providing extended choices. It is conditional on the prevailing culture as to which choices are exercised. A strong culture with strong White leadership would reject the temptations the jew had on offer. Many of our problems stem from the weakness of White culture, at least at the popular level, and the non-existence of White leadership.

Look at Iran. The Islamic Revolution of 1979 effectively limited ‘modernity’ and made technology subservient to the prevailing Islamic values and resurgent culture. That is why jews hate Iran, it is providing a beacon not only to the Islamic world but to traditional values wherever they exist.

If there is a technological melt-down looming on the horizon and we are forced to ‘return to nature’, at what developmental level will we return to this idyll? Stone-age subsistence, medieval feudalism, or 17th century level of social organisation?

The more I think about it the more it resembles a nightmarish Pol Pot scenario with untold suffering for the White race.

Actually, I think it is possible, because the Mohammedans who are fighting back against American/Zionist aggression use Internet and cell phone technology to their advantage all the time. And the Al-Jazeera satellite channel is keeping the Mohammedan world informed about American/Jew Zionist atrocities around the clock.

CW-2 wrote:

An interesting article by Grimm. The debate seems to be this; is big jew the architect of the machine, as Grimm says, or is he merely the current custodian with an oily rag attending to the machine’s needs, as Adam sees it??

My own ten cents worth is that the machine is neutral and has only taken on its hostile course under the malevolent guidance of big jew.

“We let this happen to us” only to the extent that the White world has for many years been without White leadership, jews made certain that our potential leaders were killed off in their wars.

in reply:
Jews helped to build the Machine, and SHAPE the Machine, The System, and steer it continually in one direction, to the fulfillment of only one purpose – Jewish domination over all life on the planet.

Your point about the absence of White Leadership is well taken.

Why not us?

Why not us, starting where we are, daily, choosing not to act like victims anymore. choosing to not go into debt, form our own small business, and organize along Racial lines?

This is why Harold Covington wins first place – he define the goal for us as our own Homeland, with our own economic system, all working for what is best for our Race.

Notice that all of the ideas Covington proposes can be achieved without wearing bedsheets and pillow cases, or brown shirts with red swastika armbands.

Carharts, where necessary, and Hart, Schafner and Marx three-pieces, where appropriate.

Going to church is gay.

Adam wrote:

“The machine”, or more precisely, the technological system, is not neutral.

I have explained elsewhere in these pages, in detail, why the expansion of the technological system inevitably leads to the destruction of race, and also freedom. Its expansion equally inevitably modifies cultural norms of behavior: For example, feminism would not exist at all without the technological system. It is as much an artifiact of the technological system as “Big Jew”. I would urge anyone who has an interest in saving the white race or being free of the power of the Jew to ask themselves the following questions:

What would happen if all means of scientific birth control vanished tomorrow? Women would necessarily discover a new interest in remaining virgins; they would rediscover chastity. They would become subordinate and dependent in male/female relations, just as nature has evolved them to be.

in reply:
“The expansion of the technological system” leads to greater standards of living with tools that amplify our powers and abilities, and no one would want to return to some false idlyll of Rousseau.

If they need to, they can take recreation pharmaceuticals, and become the carefree children who would seek such dreams, such fantasies.

The issue of Jewish control is what we need to address, because that is where they took our power, and simply moving from their perversion of the technological system to our version of the technological system.

Remember the sense of (Adult) Responsibility, the beginning of Power for us, in Metzger’s Insight:

WE LET THIS HAPPEN TO US.

And, the removal of the birth control pill – which passed FDA scrutiny as a pill to regulate menstrual irregularity – would force a change of sexual circumstances, but little else

The technological order’s effect on women can be seen in how one simple appliance – the electric washing machine – freed them up from hours of mindless, back-breaking toil, allowing them to invest the new-found time in higher value-added activities, like raising children.

you wrote:

What would happen if all techniques of mass communication and techniques of mass transportation vanished tomorrow? Big Jew would have no power over you. He would no longer be able to flood your lands with non-whites.

in reply:
The flooding of lands with non-Whites is being done, regardless of technology.

How many illegals literally walk across the border daily, with no need for modern technology to arrive in what used to be our country?

As well, Raspail’s Camp of the Saints model is being fulfilled, daily, with Thrid Worlders taking rafts to Europe.

you wrote:

Nor could he brainwash you or your women with his television, radio, and films. He would shrivel back into his tiny tribe of hate-filled pusbags and be powerless to affect you, just as nature intended.

in reply:
The brainwashing began with the intentional control of the mass media of its time, the newspapers.

It expanded to radio, and television.

It also took place in the public educational system, which, until recently, was very low-tech.

WE LET THIS HAPPEN TO US.

Return to nature and be saved. Persist in fantasies of trying to build a mass movement to take the technological system in a direction it can’t go, and be damned. It’s up to you.

in reply:
We left the Garden of Eden, and frankly, that just fine with me.

We are no longer Children, but have the duty to develop our Talents, our powers and abilities, as Adults.

Fourteen Forever.

in reply to Antagonistes:

you wrote:

Thankyou for your reply, New America.

However, being of a rather ectomorphic body-type, I never cared for football.

Martial arts, however, I can relate to. Soccer, also.

But I now understand your point.

What we are dealing with are images of masculinity, and the church has shattered all its images of masculinity. Football reinforces them.

in reply:
Exactly.

And it does so without the risk of actually achieving, actually making something of your self.

But, at least, it’s a reminder to the watchers of how things were, when they were young, strong, and confident.

To me, it’s a reminder of how our Racial Enemies have so gelded us, all as part of a very deliberate plan to kill our organically developed Warrior Caste off, literally, in the womb.

you wrote:

However, as I read the Bible, I see a very masculine Paul, who, as a Roman citizen, would not merely slink away from prison, but demanded that the governor himself come and release him, personally. I see a Paul who actually told people to go to hell.

Yes, if Christianity gained again a championing of masculinity, I might just forsake my paganism.

in reply:
When Institutional Christianity became JUDEO-Christianity – Feminine Christianity – then the wrong leaven spolied the loaf.

Judaism is essentially Feminine in nature. You would expect this from the exact opposite off Christianity.

A NEW Christianity will have to come forth, and it will have to be Masculine, and Patriarchal.

This will be most challenging, as we are trying to develop a Warrior Caste AND a Priest Caste, against the total opposition of the Culture at large.

Fortunately, Grimm’s point is being proven correct – all who follow and support The System can only really agree on one thing, and that is that White Men, and the System only they could have created, Christianity-Inspired Western Civilization, must be destroyed at all costs.

This does present an Opportunity for us…

Remember, Christianity used the needed Masculine force of European Paganism to help carry it forward, and transform it from being a Semitic religion, to the unique religion of the White Race, of the Christian West.

Didn’t Jesus call for the taking up of swords?

Whatever happened to THOSE verses?

When do The Men Who Wear Dresses In The Pulpit discuss THAT verse, and why it came to be?

Fourteen Forever.

“Remember, Christianity used the needed Masculine force of European Paganism to help carry it forward, and transform it from being a Semitic religion, to the unique religion of the White Race, of the Christian West.

Didn’t Jesus call for the taking up of swords?

Whatever happened to THOSE verses?”

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Christianity, Sir, was foisted on the Roman peoples because the last Emperors and the first Popes wanted to consolidate their power by forcing everyone to adopt the same religion. It was too difficult for Rome to rule over scores of tribes, cities and nations that all had their own gods.

Roman Catholic Christianity was the State Religion of the Roman Empire from 330 AD onwards and failure to adhere to it could result in a very unpleasant death. Pagan temples were destroyed or turned into Catholic churches. Pagan priests and priestesses were tortured and executed. The pagan Olympics were cancelled in 376. The Library of Alexandria, a storehouse of knowledge about the pagan world, burned down under mysterious circumstances in 393. Non-Catholic forms of Xianity were violently surpressed. Beautiful works of pagan poetry and other kinds of pagan literature were burned by Catholic zealots and lost forever.

So much for the MYTH that Christianity saved Western Civilization. It damn near destroyed it all.