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John Ball is a pretty lousy revisionist to use, or at least I think so, because he offered $100,000 to anyone who could prove that photos of Auschwitz from 1944 were not doctored, and when someone accepted his challenge, he suddenly retracted the deal, which makes me think he was full of shit in the first place.

Babi Yar is actually one of the few Nazi war crimes that is verified by documentation, Einsatzgruppe Operational Report No. 101 and three other similar reports mention more than 30,000 people (most of them jews) being taken out of Kiev and shot. Now Ball can talk all day about what photos might or might not show, but authentic German documents from that time trump whatever analysis he can offer. And the Schindler’s List stuff means nothing to me. It is just a movie. Why not dissect the inaccuracies of Braveheart or Enemy at the Gates? Or Birth of a Nation for that matter? If you think any movie clearly presents real history, then something is wrong with you.

acolyte maintains: “Babi Yar is actually one of the few Nazi war crimes that is verified by documentation, Einsatzgruppe Operational Report No. 101 and three other similar reports mention more than 30000 people (most of them jews) being taken out of Kiev and shot”

horse-shit!

it’s doubtful if there were any more than a hand-ful of jews left in the Kiev region in late 1941…..

and: oh yeah!: of course: it’s soooo convenient for ZOG twats to trot out some obscure German documentation when it suits them, while the mountains of written material clearly khyboshing the jew-good-house-keeping-seal-of-approval-accepted-version of the HollowHoax are conveniently forgotten or mis-laid!

(from Germar Rudolf’s analysis:)

The subject of ‘Babi Yar’ is confusing in many respects. For a general overview, this brief summary shall identify the major problem areas:

x/And finally, the allegations are disproved by wartime air photos
(and the non-existence of ENIGMA intercepts!…jimbo)

more here

(large n°s of people executed could also mean large n°s of partisans….who, under the International Rules of War….it is perfectly legal to execute!….just like ZOG is doing RIGHT NOW in Iraq & Afghanistan!)

….goes without saying that the prblms the White Race is enduring and has endured over the last 50+ yrs is precisely BECAUSE there is an over-abundance of kikes!

Anyone who believes in the trueness of the statement “Nazi war crime” is a fucking idiot.

Don’t be overemotional about it, now. According to certain international conventions three or four things are heroes did were, legally speaking war crimes. Revisionism really should not go so far as to paint them as *angels*. Do we want them to be angels? I certainly hope Babi Yar is fact.

I have no axe to grind, and could really not care one way or another. The documents are there. Maybe the bodies never ended up in the ravine at Babi Yar. But the Nazi Einsatzgruppen did report the executions of more than 30,000 people from Kiev, most of whom were Jews and Communists, at least according to their killers. The Nazis report it with a professional, machine-like detachment. If you think I have an anti-Nazi bias, so be it. Authentic archival documents cannot be questioned; David Irving writes every one of his books using nothing but archival documents.

If you want to believe these Einsatzgruppen documents are false, I won’t stop you, but I do know the Soviets never evacuated anybody from any of the regions the Nazis took over, except through deportation to the gulag. Stalin did not care that much about the lives of other humans. Maybe the Jews left voluntarily and went somewhere. You cannot prove something like that. The Nazis still claimed there were 11 million Jews in Europe at Wannsee in Jan 1942. Heydrich and Eichmann produced this estimate. I cannot believe they were off by 5-6 million or more.

There is no real consensus on the numbers of Soviet victims either. Everybody says something different. So, by some people’s logic, the Soviets must not have killed as many as commonly thought, since you cannot produce a single precise figure. And let’s face it, anti-Communists inflate and exaggerate as much as they accuse jews and everyone else of doing.

OK – looks like I need to but few things in perspective…
FIRST – Authentic Nazi documents.
Any of You guys have ANY idea how much AUTHENTIC GERMAN FORMULARS (pre printed empty documents needed only to fill in numbers and names) did soviets get ??? One estimate was a several tons – 1 Tons = 2,240 Pounds (something less than hundred tons), those included ALL kind of formulars – Wermahct, SS, Waffen SS etc etc.
SECOND – Soviets had most biggest forging departments IN THE world. They forged EVERTHING – documents, passports, stamps, money, newspapers (to show “soviet” people the “reality” of outside world) and even books not to mention movies. NKVD (KGB) had they own forging units, allso Army, Navy, Communist Party and Goverment. It is proven behind ANY doupt that bolseviks forged allmost ANY currency in the world – hell the Treasury provided Soviets with plates even for “easy acsess” – WTF was that ???
THIRD – Using them. First a little story. In Estonia near a city called Tartu (one of oldest University in Europe founded in 1632) in 1943 German Army whit Estonian Armed Forces and Estonina regiment of Waffen SS captured something like 200 partisans during a “round up”. It all started when some estonian peasants noticed a aerial drop of men and good in nearbay woods. They informed police. After nice and quick surveilance most of the partisans where captured. Some of those guys where realesed (the where peasants forced to help hide partisans) some where shot during capturing so finally where leht some 170(ish) hard line bolseviks partisans. There was open for public (those MF killed locals to) and finally those guys and few females where executed in same ravine outside of city. There where few tsivilian witnesses to tell the story. And little newspaper article about that with numbers and everthing.
FOUR. War is over – reenter the soviets. After few decades (in 1960-70) started all this holkaust(hoax) stories – and guess what – some local jews founded old newspaper (or something else – it not important how they find out) or something about this and VOILAAA – some 170 red partisans killers turned to be 50 000 innocent jews (in census 1935 it was stated that in Estonia was somtehing around 6-7 000 thousand kikes) killed by nasty nazis. There was BIG memorial build and documents presented (germans ofcourse) where everthing was in “black&white” – evil German nazis killed 50 000 jews – shame on them let burn in capitalist/impearilist hell and etc etc.
FIVE. One more story – named Katõn. After soviets and Germans invaded Poland (they DID that You like it or not but thats reality) bolseviks moved from Poland something 100 000 persons. Mostly police, army, priests, teachers etc – cream of local society. Those people where transported to the Soviet Union and SHOT. Katõn was in Ukraine (nearest to Poland) and ther where shot some 20 000 Polish officers from armed forces. After the war in 1946 Soviets did invaite RedCross, some US and British “experts” to verifay what “evil nazis” have done to the kindred slavic people. In 1990 something when bolsevik influence was his weakest some brave Poles called the bluff and did get ćhance to reexamine the graves and guess what – it wasn’t a “nazty nazies” but our brave defenders of Europe from nazi hell – the soviets.
SIX. So what did we learn ? NEVER TRUST DOCUMENTS FROM SOVIETS. NEVER TRUST DOCUMENTS FROM KIKES (niggers to but that will be different story).

‘Mati the Estonian’ sez: “So what did we learn ? NEVER TRUST DOCUMENTS FROM SOVIETS. NEVER TRUST DOCUMENTS FROM KIKES”

un-fortunately: we don’t have a great deal of choice AFA ‘archival material’ is concerned….with WWII documents, how-ever, the utmost caution should clearly be exercised: and, if possible, they should be triply or quadruply checked!

Re Mati:
Thanks for that. I read in Leon Degrelle’s book, ‘Hitler: Born at Versailles’ how the Allies insisted that all German soldiers caught inside Russia after the Armistice could only return to Germany via a corridor to East Prussia from Vilno, rather than directly across Poland and Czechoslovakia. This greatly increased their hardship as it was in the middle of the Russian winter. Thousands died from the cold and from attacks by the Bolsheviks, who tortured them attrociously when captured. They also briefly helped the Ukranians resist the Reds and were helping to repel them from Kiev when they were ordered to evacuate, despite the pleas of the inhabitants. Even as they were withdrawing from the city the kike Bolsheviks began to commit the most appalling attrocities against the civilian population.
Had their been the will in Britain and the US to defeat the communists it could easily have been achieved by the end of 1920 by using the German troops in coordination with the various anti-Bolshevik groups. However, the fix was in and Lenin and his kikes were given the breathing space they needed. The American, British and French presence in Russia was only token. This, after Russia had sacrificed so much for the Allies. The American and British part in 20th century history is truly contemptible. They haven’t received much thanks from their kike masters though.
It would be nice to get a more detailed picture of what happened then. The various histories of the so-called Russian Revolution don’t focus much on the events I am referring to, and most of them are sympathetic to the Reds.
Another fact that is largely unknown to many in the west is how long the national resistance forces fought against the Soviets after 1945. I recently read Mart Laar’s book ‘the War in the Woods’. The last Estonian resistance fighter was killed by the KGB in the 1970s!

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, large amounts of corroborated archival material has emerged which means that the evidence for communist atrocities is almost over-whelming!

OTOH: the evidence for Nazi/fascist atrocities is slim indeed: consisting primarily of un-corroborated hear-say!

It behoves ppl to distinguish between the basic classes of evidence as accepted by most trust-worthy legal systems!

generally:

i/hearsay(the lowest and least reliable);
ii/anecdotal(can be admissible is there is significant independent corroboration);
iii/eye-witness(a higher category then ‘anecdotal’ but still subject to dispute apropos the tricky area of ‘identification’; i.e: identifying an actual perpertrator: also: subject to ‘corroboration’);
iv/expert opinion(a fairly reliable category; an expert like a ballistics technician,chemist,pathologist,psychiatrist or forensic scientist &c provides testimony as to what they have found that may or may not be relevant to the guilt of an accused: also: subject to ‘corroboration’);
v/confession(usually accorded significant judicial weight; providing: [a]the confession is voluntary; [b]the confession is seen to be voluntary; i.e: it is audio- or video-taped; [c]the confession clearly accords with the facts of the case and [d]the confession is accompanied by a ‘video-taped re-enactment’: the latter usually provides a standard of proof ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ if [a], [b] and [c] are also true: also: subject to ‘corroboration’: usually in the form of police/lawyer verification of an interview;)
vi/forensic(usually: the highest standard of evidence avlbl and accorded the maximum judicial weight: providing it is germane to the charge and is not contested by counter-forensic evidence: also: subject to ‘corroboration’)

The Nazis worked on their own nuclear weapon, under the guidance of Werner Heisenberg, the only person in Nazi Germany who defended Einstein, and a Nobel Prize winner and college professor, who also was friends with Niels Bohr, a Danish physicist, and Jew, who apparently escaped Nazi scrutiny. David Irving has written about the Nazi nuclear program pretty thoroughly.

I believe nuclear weapons are a scourge, and should be removed from the face of the planet and indeed there were Jewish scientists behind its creation, Oppenheimer and Einstein most notably, but Oppenheimer later became an anti-nuclear advocate, like Andrei Sakharov, the gentile who helped to build the Soviet hydrogen bomb, who joined Solzhenitsyn as one the Soviet Union’s most famous dissidents. You also have Hungarian Jew Edward Teller, but also Enrico Fermi, an Italian gentile, whose wife was Jewish, which is why he fled Italy in 1938.

I would argue the Vikings sure knew how to rape and pillage on a scale similar to that of the Mongols, and warfare has advanced beyond a certain point of barbarism over the last ten centuries or so. I don’t think it mattered to the Germans what Lenin did in Russia, as long as he took the country out of the war.

The Germans certainly did not know what would happen exactly, but then again, the highly anti-Semitic German military worked with the Bolsheviks for 12 years, from 1922 to 1934, and then Hitler cooperated with them from 1939 until 1941, which I have always found perplexing, especially given his antipathy to Communism.

The Eastern Front was disastrous for Germans and Soviets alike, and I certainly have no illusions about the horrors perpetrated against the Soviet population by the Germans, including the starvation siege of Leningrad, the bombings of Stalingrad, and the rationing program that fed German troops and civilians at the expense of Slavs. There is a limit to acceptable behavior, and callous disregard for human life was clearly evident on all sides in WWII.

Re jimbo:
What crap are you talking about? The Germans were living in a world of savagery in the east. I am fully aware of how the allies behaved against a defeated Germany, as I thought I made clear. I am surprised when anyone on this site tries to excuse the opponents of Germany, as Acolyte does, by saying that the Germans were just as bad, or that Vikings were barbarians etc. Germans certainly killed enemy prisoners, but I am not criticising them for it. I am surprised that they did not behave with more ruthlessness. They should have. How much clearer can I make it? Hitler and the Germans should have used every weapon of mass destruction they could make and fought to win. It’s because they fought like gentlemen that they lost and that we are all in such a terrible plight now. When fighting the jew and its minions there is no room for civilized behaviour. That is just stupidity.
Also, spare me the ‘begorrah’ crap!

Maybe Einstein was a fraud; I will leave that to physicists to decide. What of Niels Bohr, another Jewish physicist, and Nobel Prize winner? The main point is that Heisenberg defended Einstein, which really irritated the Nazis, especially since they could not very well treat Heisenberg like they did others and scare him into conformity by threatening him with losing his job or something like that. He was too famous for that.

Heisenberg pointed out that many of his colleagues in Germany had spoken positively of Einstein in the 1920s, and praised his work, but then when the government comes along and denounces Einstein as a Jew, these same hypocrites jump on the bandwagon, to hold onto to their careers, and even advance themselves at Einstein’s expense. Heisenberg thought such behavior was disgraceful. And indeed it does reflect poorly on one’s integrity.

Someone who also criticized the Nazi regime for expelling Jewish professors and scientists from universities was Max Planck, who was 80 years old in 1938, and saw a lot of his Jewish friends and colleagues forced into exile or into retirement by virtue of their Jewishness. Planck also lamented the betrayal and backstabbing that went on during this time, as Heisenberg did. Planck had personally awarded Einstein a medal in 1929. Did Heisenberg and Planck not recognize that Einstein was a fraud? Perhaps. But both men are smarter than me, and as two of the most famous physicists of all time, if they see credibility in his work, then who am I to argue against them?

Planck’s son Erwin was actually implicated in the plot against Hitler’s life in July 1944, and died in Gestapo custody. It is perhaps easy to see why Thomas Mann and other prominent cultural figures left Germany in 1933. As I tend to say, for a regime that so ruthlessly persecuted homosexuals, it sure liked its homoerotic statues of nude men, as sculpted by Arno Breker.

In any case, I think you are a little naive when it comes to the behavior of Germans in WWII. Their behavior was much different on the Eastern Front than on the Western Front, which was filled with their racial kinsmen. The Germans of WWII were racial, ideological fanatics. As were the Soviets and Japanese. This can be at odds with professionalism and dignified treatment of POWs, as all three groups clearly illustrated.

bryan o’driscoll: “What crap are you talking about? The Germans were living in a world of savagery in the east. I am fully aware of how the allies behaved against a defeated Germany, as I thought I made clear. I am surprised when anyone on this site tries to excuse the opponents of Germany, as Acolyte does, by saying that the Germans were just as bad, or that Vikings were barbarians etc. Germans certainly killed enemy prisoners, but I am not criticising them for it. I am surprised that they did not behave with more ruthlessness. They should have. How much clearer can I make it? Hitler and the Germans should have used every weapon of mass destruction they could make and fought to win. It’s because they fought like gentlemen that they lost and that we are all in such a terrible plight now. When fighting the jew and its minions there is no room for civilized behaviour. That is just stupidity.
Also, spare me the ‘begorrah’ crap”

give us a BREAK! will ya, fer fuck sake?
why jump down my throat squire, eh?

FUCK!

i was jes’ ‘setting the record straight’ as per certain fuckwits posting here who hv swallowed ZOG’s bucket of lies!

my point was that the Germans behaved the most honourably…..MORE HONOURABLY than even the much-touted AlLies!…..that’s plain as DAY!

OK: they shot some worthless scum on the Eastern Front…big fckn DEAL!……wotz the bet that they were armed ‘partisans’?….who it is perfectly LEGAL to shoot as saboteurs and spies under the rules of war!

and: they shot some jew commisars: again: so fckn wot?

who gives a TOSS?

pronouncing the death sentence on mass killers was legal back in those days….even in the UK!

(the main reason the Germans lost the war was because the Führer was betrayed and stymied @ every turn of the road by traitors within the ranks……Adolf Hitler was a military genius and could have won WWII IF he had to have had TOTAL COMMAND from the get-go!…i’v posted lnks on that stuff before!)

*m8: TAKE a DEEP fckn BREATH & COUNT TO ’10’ NEXT TIME, will ya?

sheezzzz!

to Jimbo: about Hitler – war its not one man’s game. Hitler lost and did kill in process lots of white people – and some not so white. In generally what old folks back here in Estonia talking about German occupation – it was sunday picnic compering with Soviet occupation. But the main question remains – WHY HITLER MADE ALL THOSE MISTAKES HE DID ? ? ?
If he was such a genius how hard was it to clean out his ranks (Night of Long Knives – anyone!) more then once. All those propaganda flops in Eastern and Western fronts. I have and problably will have some big deal of respect about what Hitler was trying to do and about HIM personally I dont have much against this man but I am tended to be realistic person – something went wrong in the way and Hitler “lost it” – reason – I dont know. Perhaps Irving knows. Perhaps we all know it but are unable to but it down in writing. But BIG fact remains – because of his mistakes after all there was just ONE winning side in this war – jews.
About Einstein. He was a fraud – he plagiarised not only from those gyus You mention but first from his wife Milena (something). But looks like he was smart enough to push some buttons and took all credits from different works. Wich comes to Germany then jews loyal to Reich where able to work and live normally – but most jews in higher positions (media etc) are destructive tendencies and Hitler was curbing they enthusiasm about creating something very destructive they get dissapointed and left to other countries.

One more last thing about this issue – I’am trying not to idolaise ANY person – not Jesus, Hitler or Stalin (etc) – raight know times are little bit different and views have changed and we have really only VERY small amount information why and how those people did what they did. We must remember them and they deeds then learn from they mistakes…

re: ‘mati the estonian’: as said, i’v previously posted lnks….but:
check this stuff out again!….particulary the ‘Worm in the Apple‘: that will go a long way to-wards explaining how Hitler lost!

(a lot of the stuff there is ‘backed up’ to a greater or lesser extent in ‘Hitler’s War‘ by David Irving)

even after becoming racially aware, i still found that i believed many of the concocted myths re: WWII…..it’s a long process ‘de-programming’ one self from yrs of ZOG’s lies: ‘the Night of the Long Knives’ is one such lie: the ‘movers & shakers’ behind that were the Wehrmacht; still top-heavy with ZOG-friendly ‘brass’: they perceived Röhm as a threat to their power(as indeed he was: the plan was, basically, for the SA to ‘take over’ from the Wehrmacht: with the senior and mid-level officer corps being replaced by SA men: and most of the senior NCOs too….if this plan had to have succeeded: the out-comes in the vrs European theatres may well have been vastly different: there was in-sufficient time for the Führer to establish another replacement corps: although: he did try; with the WaffenSS….but their numbers insufficient to make a decisive impact!)

Here is an interesting blog about the Lithuanian Forest Brothers with some rare photographs. The largest scale resistance to the Soviets was in Lithuania.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=68053

‘mati the estonian’: try here ….it’s the American Thule Society on-line book archive…..they’re in ‘pdf’ frmt!