23 March, 2006
WTC Demolitions: Chutzpah’s Finest Hour
Posted by alex in WTC demolition at 12:51 am | 
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The Ground Zero Grassy Knoll
A new generation of conspiracy theorists is at work on a secret history of New York’s most terrible day.
Big article in New York Mag.
23 March, 2006 at 9:59 am
I read the whole thing yesterday, took me some time. Count me in as a believer in LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose), not MIHOP (Made It Happen On Purpose). There are even Arabs who have admitted to being part of the plans. However, it doesn’t have to be al-Qaeda, a small umbrella organization that never took responsibility for the act; it is likely that 9/11 was committed by one of the many groups al-Qaeda is an umbrella for.
There are so much speculation, so many assumptions. When we don’t know, we have to admit we don’t know, even if we have to go for years without finding a definite answer.
The one thing we can confirm in that article, is the story about the Dancing Israelis – the group of five Israelis filming the falling towers, laughing and high-fiving each other, taking pictures of each other smiling with the burning towers in the background. We know this, because the police arrested them and heard witnesses. We know they had 4,700 dollars in a sock and said “We are not your problem. The Palestinians are your problem.” We know that the Israeli company they were working for soon packed up and left for Israel, and that the five were quietly deported to Israel. We know that one of the few Gentile American employees in that company said afterward that the Israeli employees smiled and laughed at the story about the falling towers, thrilled.
We also know that the largest spy ring on U.S. soil, around 200 Israelis, was rounded up and deported after 9/11. And that many of them lived in Florida close to where the suicide hijackers were receiving pilot training. (We know they were training, because there are witnesses at that school, including the instructors.)
Most in that article is speculation: some may be true, most of it will turn out not to be true, but right now we can’t be 100 percent sure of anything, except the Dancing Israelis.
23 March, 2006 at 11:43 am
“War on Terror, a Social Darwinian/Hobbesian/with-us-or-against-us struggle to corner the planet’s dwindling bounty—a global conflict without end in which only the strong, the white, and the Republican would survive.”
Takes on the guise of ‘just another leftist critic’ and attacks ‘white [yesterday’s con-servative] republicans’… Is this Fascism yet? No, itz a jew pluto tyranny far far more hateful than anything thunk up in yoru Courtier history book.
“Do I believe Israel has undue influence over U.S. foreign policy?� asks one activist. “Absolutely. But there are people in this movement who are fucking Nazis. You have to draw the line at Holocaust denial.�
Implicating jews is ‘real’ crime; heresay, smearsay.
“Yet it is difficult to deny the allure of this movement. The conspiracist has always relied on a degree of magical thinking. As Marshall McLuhan would swear if he weren’t dead, there has never been a more conspiracy-ready medium than the Net. It is an exhilarating serendipity that every surfer has felt: the glorious synchronicity in the way one link handshakes the next, the sensation of not knowing how you got there but being sure this is the right place. Such miraculous methodology cannot simply be random. For the moment, it feels like Truth.”
Go back to sleep fucktards. This “truth movement” is like hacky-sacking, being a hippy and dropping acid all at the same time. Turn on the psychoanalysis. Failure to believe the government makes you a certified nut.
“David Cohen, who headed the CIA office at 7 WTC on September 11, was the same guy hired by Ray Kelly as deputy commissioner of Intelligence. It was Cohen who instituted the subway bag search, one more chimera of security in the post-9/11 world.”
23 March, 2006 at 11:55 am
The NYawker is a ‘lifestyle’ mag. Cunts don’t care about having a point other than filling the void between haircuts.
23 March, 2006 at 12:05 pm
I asked Dr. Sunder about 7 WTC. Why was the fate of the building barely mentioned in the final report?
This was a matter of staffing and budget, Sunder said. He hoped to release something on 7 WTC by the end of the year.
NIST did have some “preliminary hypotheses� on 7 WTC, Dr. Sunder said. “We are studying the horizontal movement east to west, internal to the structure, on the fifth to seventh floors.�
Then Dr. Sunder paused. “But truthfully, I don’t really know. We’ve had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7.�
Worth noting:
Late in the summer of 2004, as the Republicans in Madison Square Garden extolled George Bush’s staunch protection of the homeland, a Zogby poll asked New Yorkers if they believed that “some of our leaders knew in advance attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and consciously failed to act.�
Of city residents, 49.3 percent said yes.
That ensures this won’t blow over any time soon. I believe that LIHOP (Let It Happen On Purpose) will be the “grassy knoll” of this case in the future.
23 March, 2006 at 5:39 pm
Ah yes, we can only be certain of the “Dancing Israelis”. That, and small contained fires cause 110 story buildings to collapse at freefall speed.
Of these we can be certain.
Carpenter, you sir, are an idiot.
23 March, 2006 at 8:56 pm
A building falling down in its own footprint at free fall speed has only ONE explanation, controlled demolition by an expert demolition crew. Solid concrete suddenly turning into powder has only ONE explanation, high explosive set by demolition experts. No steel frame building has ever collapsed because of fire, before or since. Recently a steel framed building in Madrid Spain burned a hell of a lot longer and a hell of a lot hotter without failure. The only steel frame building failures were due to earthquakes and those buildings did not collapse but toppled on their side. Any other explanation of the three buildings come down on 9/11 other than controlled demolition by pre-positioned explosive is pure bullshit.
23 March, 2006 at 9:31 pm
That’s what I believe. All the folks in the WTC – firemen, businessmen, reporters, etc – they all heard and reported explosions.
23 March, 2006 at 9:33 pm
The New York firemen would have never looked the other way in a fire that cost them hundreds of friends & relatives dead! Take that to the bank.
It’s hard to tell what the jews/mossad knew about the possibility of an attack before it happened. With jews you are dealing with an ancient cult; the word “Byzantine” comes to mind. Chances are the jews knew something was up…did they look the other way?
23 March, 2006 at 11:12 pm
Will, your debating skillz are L33T, dude! No need to read through the article, is there? Nah, too much work. Besides, too much information may be bad for your opinions, and then where would a lemming be? Much easier to simply call someone an idiot when he disagrees with you in the slightest. Ahh, the simple, immature lemming minds produced in our democratic society!
This thread will probably generate a long list of replies. I wonder how many of them will be written by people who have actually read the article they are supposed to be commenting on, and how many will simply regurgigate their opinions about 9/11. Since most people today are brought up to be lazy children convinced that their opinion always matters, the question is an easy one.
23 March, 2006 at 11:53 pm
Have you seen any of the growing number of web-developed videos about 9-11? There seems to be a new one each day. The official version holds no water anymore. It doesn’t have any legs to stand on. It has been totally dismantled.
Why would I want to engage an idiot in debate?
There is so much evidence for controlled demolitions that debating it or trying to deny it is simply a waste of time.
People like you who still question 9-11 and the controlled demolitions have an agenda. You are not rational, reasoning, or “all there”. You have some kind of logical disconnect which is probably linked to your love of what you see as a righteous government which works for the good of the people and the common interest.
Where is your evidence for the official version outside of the talking heads in the jewsmedia? Nowhere would be my guess.
You just have to have faith in the powers that be, right dude? They would never do such a thing to start a war in the Middle East for oil and Israel. That would just be unthinkable.
And what do we have now? A war in the Middle East for oil and Israel which is constantly linked to revenge for what the evildoing freedom hating Muslims did to us on, you guessed it, 9-11. Holy rusted metal, Batman! What a shocker! War is big business, idiot. Right now it’s about the biggest business of all in the place we call the Kwa.
24 March, 2006 at 3:03 am
One would expect that people(especially those frequenting vnn) would recognise an ‘ad hominem’ when they see it…..’conspiracy theory’ is exactly that…….the term pre-supposes a ‘conspiracy theorist’ which pre-supposes some kind of ‘wild-eyed nutter’…..in effect: there is NO SUCH THING as ‘a conspiracy theory’…..just: valid and invalid explanations for events. In Holmesian-think: “when you have eliminated the impossible, my dear Watson, whatever remains, however unlikely must be the truth”
People these days are more than familiar with forensic crime shows like ‘CSI’. As such, they should be able to put 2+2 together and ask what solid, forensic evidenc is there that links the events of 9/11 to a bunch of cave-dwelling sand niggers?…and how many major criminal events occur where the suspect is named 5mnts afterwards instead of after more than 5mnths of pain-staking investagations? A good grounding in clear thinking, logic and analysis is a MUST to neutralise the effects of ZOG media inc.
24 March, 2006 at 1:04 pm
Fine Art Of Blogging: Article Details According To “Predisposition”
(Apollonian, 24 Mar 06)
To “Carpenter” above at 11:12PM: Thanks for anticipating; pls note “generating replies” is supposed to be ur business, isn’t it? I haven’t yet read the article u insist must be read; these are mere preliminary remarks, sorry. I offer u a THEORY (New Testament [NT] Conspiracy-Theory-Analytic-Template) by means of which to approach the article in question which u insist must be consulted in order to comment herein.
I’m not one of those “physicians” to be solicited fm the “house” or wherever. I’m a mere metaphysician. So to make some money on the side I dabble in aesthetics and defend Christianity as deft lawyer-theologian. I still don’t make nearly enough–still a “voice in the wilderness,” I seem to be. Determinism isn’t popular, alas.
Psychologically I pt out the characteristics of the white Culture-mentality as it is prepared already–or predispositioned, strategically and militarily–it follows Darwin–as Darwin followed the laws of nature and biology. Also there was Herbert Spencer, great sociologist who commented upon the much-publicized Hegel and “dialectic.” Then there was Oswald Spengler’s “Decline of the West,” to more definitively exposit history.
George Orwell was artist-aesthetician who could articulate a philosophy, unlike Alex Linder/VNN who too often languishes in mere hysterics, unlike Orwell at his best. But then who can compare w. Orwell at his best, eh? Linder/VNN does his best which is currently fairly good enough so far, I’d say. Linder/VNN dangles upon the danger–the danger of “the Peter Principle” incompetence, similar to Richard-the-Lionhearted, WhiteAlert.com. They stagnate.
Theoretically, Linder/VNN refuses to credit the great historical discovery of our age: NT Conspiracy-Theory-Analytic, this by a native citizen and soldier, a mere combat-scholar/theologian and part-time exorcist, a humble “Christian patriot.” Pls ck my essays on NewNation.org under “commentary.”
This same strategy of envious cold-shoulder by pretended patriot is reflected by Richard the Lionhearted at WhiteAlert.com who features too few of my essays, aside fm being outstanding artist when he applies himself. And that’s the problem: Richard (the Lionhearted) applies himself too little for such an otherwise astute aestheticalist whose movie reviews are famous, legendary, and featured in this very group of outstanding blogs by Linder/VNN (VanGuardNewsNetwork.com) and associates (“Sunlit”).
(I esp. liked Richard’s astute and perceptive review for the Ed R. Murrow movie which attempted yet another besmirchment of dear old Joe McCarthy, late US Senator fm state of Wisconsin.)
Let me conclude this upon latest conspiracy theory, as of NT: it’s direct comparison, easy to understand literarily; Orwell would respect it, I’m sure; Spengler would be amazed at the ingenuity of someone fm North America, indubitably. Linder/VNN and Richard (WhiteAlert.com) too much under-appreciate (NT consp. theory…). Homer taught Life is Tragedy; hence I suffer public disdain, however undaunted, fellow patriots uncaring.
But I’ve always relied upon the purest strength of truth, logic, and thence the basic correctness of NT consp. theory…, buttressed all the time by real-time sense perception, journalism, and blogging.
Carpenter above is absolutely right for ultimate verification by the standard, the article (and details), but I also stress the basic theology and aesthetic parallel (for mental predisposition).
Linder/VNN suffers the stagnation and ruin of patriot “PREDISPOSITION.” Richard (WhiteAlert.com) is not nearly consistent enough.
Linder and Richard need to be more astute and HONEST judges of NT literature analyzed strictly rationalistically, no less than the Illiad and Oddyssey by Homer (or any other literature). Linder has to quit prejudicing the issue: “Jeeboo” is mere puerility and fails to seriously impress the scientist–it certainly isn’t conclusive, just filled with presumption which Linder can’t further or seriously discuss repeating himself dumbly. Richard should denounce puerility.
Christian plot-story, including “resurrection,” is mere device: THERE IS FURTHER LESSON TO THE STORY–SIMILAR TO A “MORAL.” And this moral emphasizes OBJECTIVE REALITY in “dialectic” contra-distinction to Judaic-Talmudic subjectivity leading to hysteria, collectivism, narcissism, hubris, madness, etc. And I offer substantiation, like Gosp. JOHN 8:44, rather than snapping out inane ASSERTIONS as Linder does. Stagnation could turn into outright corruption.
CONCLUSION: So thanks, Mr. “Carpenter,” above, for challenging me for neat opportunity to comment upon our strategy and predisposition, also NT consp. theory…. A Constantinian Christian cultural revolution (see my essays at NewNation.org) will benefit the white race as traitors and dupes are removed, specifically, the “Judeo-Christiains” (JCs)–which, again, will come with general and religious RATIONALIZATION, as I’ve exposited somewhat. Targetting the Jew helps “smoke out” the JC fools. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
24 March, 2006 at 4:11 pm
Apo, try writing simple sentences in English. Not screeds in Apomonomanian.
24 March, 2006 at 4:16 pm
Back to subject..
I used to be a “let it happen,” but after seeing the films I think “made it happen” is likelier. The simple fact is no reportorial due diligence has been done across the list of the 19 hijackers. I might be wrong about that. But at least individual reporters and papers have researched enough to find that several of the 19 are alive.
Think about that. I know we live the age of sunglasses and have ever since Risky Business in the eighties, and everyone is cool, but don’t we need some capacity to be shocked. Is it not a major problem with the cover story that people ZOG claims produced the greatest terrorist attack in American history are actually alive and well back in Arabia?
This is what I mean by second-stage devolution. In the first stage, people aren’t held accountable. And this shocks people. Revilo Oliver Believed that the American people would wake up to what the jews had done in Washignton in WWII and throw the bums out. Didn’t happen. In stage two, the very idea of accountability is lost.
We can’t formulate questions these days, let alone answer them.
25 March, 2006 at 3:52 pm
Theory Within Strategic “Pre-disposition”
(Apollonian, 25 Mar 06)
NT consp. theory (see my detailed expo) holds Jews are Jews, hence conspirators–unless of course they prove they’re not, which has never yet happened in history, I don’t think. Wait a minute: if a Jew is a Jew, then it must be conspirator.
Then there’s power of inductive logic–it can be persuasive after twenty billion straight repetitions.
Above argument is what persuades me NT Consp. theory and literature is sublime consistent with determinism, nature, facts of reality, and inductive logic; they all just seem to go together, at same time, even.
After all, observations provide for conclusion; of course there are further questions. We’re looking at a culture in “Decline of the West,” of course u understand. Orwellian “perpetual warfare” is a verified given right this moment. Jews must only be careful they don’t destroy the host. Jews scare even Jews. Honest elections and death to the Fed. A.