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The author of the article states that we should make room amongst our ranks to White Nationalists who happen to be Christian. I can see his point, although I don’t think it is necessarily the right one.

The problem is “Jew Think” (I didn’t come up with that, I believe Tom Metzger did) and it is a problem of the mind. Christianity IS Jew think. Herein lies the problem- when we make room amongst us for people who have Jew think, there will always be divided loyalties amongst those who have it. Christianity opens the door for more Jew think, so when you have a self-proclaimed White racial comrade amongst you who says he is for the survival of the White Race, will you ever be able to trust whether that individual puts that as priority #1 in their lives, or will that person put getting into Jewsus’s exclusive afterlife club as #1 priority?

Christinsanity is a weak link in the White Nationalist/racialist mindset. It’s doctrines are so directly opposed to racism, I cannot see who someone can be a true Christian and a White racist, it is like serving two masters.

“In contrast to the English settlers to the north, who came seeking land and brought their own women with them from England, the Spanish came seeking gold and brought no women. Instead they mated with the Indian women — a practice encouraged by the priests accompanying them, who were eager to convert the Indians to Christianity. Thus began the growth of the mestizo element in Central America.

This process of racial mixture did not bring about the peaceful amalgamation of the races that the priests claimed it would. Instead, the history of Mexico has been a series of bloody revolutions and racial warfare, mostly of mestizos and Indians against Whites, but also of Indians against mestizos, as in the case of the recent civil war in Mexico’s southernmost province of Chiapas.”

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According to Diaz who wrote the first, first person account of the Conquest of Mexico, the Roman Catholic church gave their approval to marriages between Spaniards & indians. What’s even more interesting is that this being the New World, the Roman Catholic church permitted already married Spaniards to marry indian women! New World, new wife. LOL.

It appears that the universalistic equalitarian christian mindset effects the White race more than the mud races. The mongrelized Latin American countries are at least technically “christian”, but they seem more immune to the worst aspects of christianiity. Many countries in nigger Africa are “christian” in name, but it seems not to have altered greatly the nigger’s inate sense of “niggerness” and his hatred of everything White.

“they mated with the Indian women — a practice encouraged by the priests accompanying them, who were eager to convert the Indians to Christianity. Thus began the growth of the mestizo element in Central America. ”

The correct term here is “mated”, yes. This was encouraged by the government, as part of the process of imperialism. I believe the Portuguese did it even before Spain. It was considered to create a class that would be loyal to Spain, as well as a bridge to the Indians. And they WERE loyal — at least for some generations, until the Age of Revolution, when those same high-ranking creoles revolted, following the example of France and the USA. (And egged on by Britain which wanted the trade of Latin America.) By 1800, revolution had become the fashionable thing among the trendy, educated crowd.

“This process of racial mixture did not bring about the peaceful amalgamation of the races that the priests claimed it would. Instead, the history of Mexico has been a series of bloody revolutions and racial warfare”

Mexico (unlike the other Hispanic countries) has installed the political myth that: “We are all mestizos”. This official creed has given them, for the past century, the basis for an uneasy peace. Without it, there would doubtless have been much worse strife and real racial warfare. Of course, it may yet come to that someday — the nightmare of the white ruling class who all pay lip service to the myth that they’re mestizos.

This exaltation of the mestizo, unknown elsewhere, is unique to Mexico — a result of the Mexican revolution (1910-1920, which wiped out a tenth of the population). It is NOT considered admirable in South America to be a mestizo (though better than an Indian, which is better than a black), and mestizos are not glorified. Contrary to Mexico (where whites pretend to be mestizos), they all pretend to be white.

“The Catholic church gave approval to marriages between Spaniards & indians. What’s even more interesting is that this being the New World, the Roman Catholic church permitted already married Spaniards to marry indian women! “

I’m dubious about that. I mean the word “marriages”. Shacking up with an Indian woman on the side was another story. But marriage? Not likely. Except for the Conquistadors marrying Inca princesses … for obviously political ends. In that special case, it could be allowed.

I had a very informative, scholarly tome on the sociology of Hispanic America, unfortunately now lost, in which it said that the laws in the Spanish colonies were extremely strict and meticulous, and that persons could not even legally marry outside their class, much less race. So I doubt that those matings were actual marriages. It would have been legally impossible. If you were a high-born white Spaniard, you only married another high-born white Spaniard. But having other women (and families) on the side was a very casual thing for the Latins, unlike the staid Protestant Anglo Saxons. As for the soldiers and sailors who were passing through, whatever they did was another story — but I doubt they bothered to get “married” before doing it.

These were monarchies that were based on a very rigid and formal social hierarchy. The American colonies would have been looser, in practice, being so far from the central authority, but still they aped the mother countries. Nobles didn’t marry peasants, and whites didn’t marry coloureds. It simply wasn’t done.

They screwed them, yeah, but they didn’t marry them. (!)

As I’ve said before, the Church permitted marriage or at least tolerated sexual union between Spanish and Portugese colonists and the New World savages. Why? In order to make up for the Church’s loss of 20 million Catholics in Northern Europe thanks to the Reformation. And I’m sure there were many instances where the Spanish and Portugese colonists already had wives in Europe, but took new Indian wives in this hemisphere. The Church probably came up with some kind of bullshit exception to the rules in order to justify such actions. After all, the Lord needed millions of new Mestizoes in order to replenish the depleted ranks of His Church.

Christianity=Jewish egalitarian nonsense.

Christianity does not matter.

What matters is “radical traditionalism” or “modernity” .

Modernity is concerned with money-making, and continually changing the culture to keep power and make money.

Traditionalism is in danger of attracting second-rate minds, un-creative people who drag everything down. Even if you are a creative traditionalist, the system will grind you down.

I am not Catholic but I like Mexicans in Mexico, Haitians’ in Haiti, Chinese in China, Guatemalans’ in Guatemala, Cubans in Cuba, and blacks can go to hell.

Antagonistes, by “radical traditionalism,” I assume you to mean:

The male as head of the household,
A household consisting of a man and a woman, with children,
The male as “self-employed,” as, in tradition, owning a farm, or being a member of a guild,
Culture, faith, and relationships being more important than money

I assume you to mean these things, among others.

One can be a “radical traditionalist” in any religion, including Judaism, Islam or Eastern spirituality.

Since all things are continually changing, the vehicle for expressing radical traditionalism changes over time.

In the European Middle-Ages, it was Christianity.

Today, we are searching for a means of expression, but that which is to be expressed, radical traditionalism, is always there.

So, to the question, “Is Christianity a Hindrance to White Self-Realization?” the answer must be “It can be either a help or a hindrance.”

WWWLPD?

What set the National Alliance, under William L. Pierce, apart from the rest of the so-called “movement” was our policy proscribing Xianity as an ideology opposed to that of our Alliance. Xians were allowed to join NA but soon learned the Alliance’s position on its members worshipping the Jew’s tribal god YHWH or their spreading the Jew Word as an Alliance member.

The following excerpt from the NA Membership Handbook was clumsily removed by those who hijacked the NA after Pierce’s death. The usurpers wanted to go “big tent” with an expedient Xian-friendly Alliance outreach, compromising the very policy that set Pierce’s strict biological movement above the Xian-friendly big tent compromisers.

How has that worked out? Dr. Pierce was carefully building a true vanguard around the core of men and women who agreed with him and his no nonsense, hard line. The Alliance message didn’t appeal to the gullible and superstitious herd by soft-soaping them. Pierce’s stated vision was to build a movement of will and determination from those of us who agreed with him, not those who disagreed and opposed us.
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—begin from 2d. -OPPOSED IDEOLOGIES—

2d.vii. Christianity
The National Alliance is not a religious organization, in the ordinary sense of the term. It does, however, have to concern itself with religious matters, because religions influence the behavior of people, society, and governments. The doctrines of various religious groups—Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, et al.—deal with the temporal as well as spiritual matters and therefore often conflict with National Alliance doctrine.
Christian doctrines are of much greater concern to the National Alliance than the doctrines of other large religious groups, because Christianity is the most influential religion in the United States, Europe, and the rest of the White world. Most members of the National Alliance come from families which are, or a generation ago were, at least nominally Christian, and very few come from families which practice or practiced, Islam, Buddhism, or other religions. Furthermore, the history of our race for the last thousand years has been inextricably bound up with Christianity. The National Alliance really cannot avoid taking positions regarding Christian beliefs and practices, despite the complications this causes our work.
The immediate and inevitable fact which forces us to come to grips with Christianity is that the mainstream Christian churches are all, without exception, preaching a doctrine of White racial extinction. They preach racial egalitarianism and racial mixing. They preach non-resistance to the takeover of our society by non-Whites. It was the Christian churches, more than any other institution, which paralyzed the will of White South Africans to survive. It is the Christian establishment in the United States which is preeminent in sapping the will of White Americans to resist being submerged in the non-White tide sweeping across the land. Most Christian authorities collaborate openly with the Jews, despite the contempt and abuse they receive in return, and the rest at least follow Jewish policies on the all-important matter of race. The occasional anomaly—a Catholic bishop in Poland speaking out angrily against Jewish arrogance, a few Protestant groups in the United States expressing sympathy for oppressed Palestinians—does not invalidate the rule.
We are obliged, therefore, to oppose the Christians churches and to speak out against their doctrines. But we do not, as some groups have done, accuse the Christian leaders of being false Christians. We do not say, “We are the real Christians, because we stand for the values which the mainstream churches stood for a century ago, before they were subverted.” We do not reach for our Bibles and point to verses which seem to be in accord with the policies of the National Alliance and contrary to the present policies of the Christian churches. A diligent Bible scholar can find in the Judeo-Christian scriptures support for—or ammunition against—virtually any policy whatsoever.
Beyond the immediate conflict between us and the Christian churches on racial matters there is a long-standing and quite fundamental ideological problem with Christianity. It is not an Aryan religion; like Judaism and Islam it is Semitic in origin, and all its centuries of partial adaptation to Aryan ways have not changed its basic flavor. It was carried by a Jew, Saul of Tarsus (later known as Paul), from the Levant to the Greco-Roman world. Its doctrines that the meek shall inherit the earth and that the last shall be the first found fertile soil among the populous slave class in Rome. Centuries later, as Rome was succumbing to an internal rot in which Christianity played no small part, legions of Roman conscripts imposed the imported religion on the Celtic and Germanic tribes to the north.
Eventually Christianity became a unifying factor for Europe, and in the name of Jesus Europeans resisted the onslaught of Islamic Moors and Turks and expelled the “Christ-killing” Jews from one country after another. But the religion retained its alien mind-set, no matter how much some aspects of it were Europeanized. Its otherworldliness is fundamentally out of tune with the Aryan quest for knowledge and for progress; its universalism conflicts directly with Aryan striving for beauty and strength; its delineation of the roles of man and god offends the Aryan sense of honor and self-sufficiency.
Finally Christianity, like the other Semitic religions, is irredeemably primitive. Its deity is thoroughly anthropomorphic, and its “miracles”—raising the dead, walking on water, curing the lame and the blind with a word and a touch—are the crassest superstition.
We may have fond memories of the time before the Second World War when pretty, little girls in white dresses attended all-White Sunday schools, and Christianity seemed a bulwark of family values and a foe to degeneracy and indiscipline. We may cherish the tales of medieval valor, when Christian knights fought for god and king—if we can overlook the Christian church’s bloodthirsty intolerance, which stifled science and philosophy for centuries and sent tens of thousands of Europeans to the stake for heresy.
We may even find Christian ethics congenial, if we follow the standard Christian practice of interpreting many of its precepts—such as the one about turning the other cheek—in such a way that they do not interfere with our task. But we should remember that nothing essential in Christian ethics is specifically Christian. Any successful society must have rules of social conduct. Lying and stealing were shunned in every Aryan society long before Christianity appeared. Our pagan ancestors did not need Christian missionaries to tell them how to behave or to explain honor and decency to them—quite the contrary!
Historians may argue the pros and cons of Christianity’s role in our race’s past: whether or not the unity it provided during a period of European consolidation outweighed the loss of good genes it caused in the Crusades and the bloody religious wars of the Middle Ages (and through the Church’s policy of priestly celibacy); whether the splendid Gothic cathedrals which rose in Europe during the four centuries and the magnificent religious music of the 18th century were essentially Christian or essentially Aryan in inspiration; whether Christianity’s stand against the evils of self-indulgence—against gluttony and drunkenness and greed—was worth its shackling of the human mind in superstition or not. One thing already is clear, however: Christianity is not a religion that we can wish on future generations of our race.
We need ethics; we need values and standards; we need a world view. And if one wants to call all of these things together a religion, then we need a religion. One might choose instead, however, to call them a philosophy of life. Whatever we call it, it must come from our own race soul; it must be an expression of the innate Aryan nature. And it must be conducive to our mission of racial progress. Christianity, as the word is commonly understood, meets neither of these criteria.
The fact is that, completely aside from the racial question, no person who wholeheartedly believes Christian doctrine can share our values and goals, because Christian doctrine holds that this world is of little importance, being only a proving ground for the spiritual world which one enters after death. Christian doctrine also holds that the condition of this world is not man’s responsibility, because an omnipotent and omniscient deity alone has that responsibility.
Although some Christians do believe Christian doctrine wholeheartedly, however, most do not. Most instinctively feel what we explicitly believe, even if they have repressed those feelings in an effort to be “good” Christians. Because of this many nominal Christians, even those affiliated with mainstream churches, can, under the right circumstances, be persuaded to work for the interests of their race. Other nominal Christians—especially those who stand apart from any of the mainstream churches—have interpreted Christian doctrine in such an idiosyncratic way that the contradictions between their beliefs and ours have been minimized.
For these reasons we want to avoid conflict with Christians to the extent that we can. We don’t want to give unnecessary offense, even when we speak out against the doctrines of these churches. We don’t want to ridicule their beliefs, which in some cases are sincerely held. Some of these people later will reject Christianity’s racial doctrines. Some will reject Christianity altogether. We want to help them in their quest for truth when we can, and we want to keep the door open to them.
Members who want to study the subject of Christianity and its relationship to our task in depth should read Which Way Western Man? by our late member William Simpson. The book’s initial chapters describe the spiritual odyssey of a man of exceptional spiritual sensitivity, who was far more intensely a Christian than nearly any Christian living today and who eventually understood the racially destructive nature of Christianity and rejected it.
A more concise study of the difference between the Christian world view and ours is given in Wulf Sörensen’s The Voice of Our Ancestors, which was reprinted in National Vanguard No.107.
—end—

I should make it clear that I don’t hate Christianity, but feel it has has run its course in the Western hemisphere and is now a major obstacle in any forthcoming renaissance of the white race. Christian dogma is sharply at odds with the biological and racial worldview of most white nationalists and of the old Pierce led NA. Furthermore, it isn’t a bulwark against anything that threatens the survival of Europeans in their native lands and wherever they reside.

I’ve lost count how many times I’ve had a debate with a Christian only for him/her to say “That’s not Christian”, or “That’s not what Jesus would want”. Jesus, you see, wants coffee colored mongrels and for all nations to resemble Brazil or India.

No doubt there are exceptions among practicing Christians who could be useful, but in the main I don’t see the majority of adherents as potential allies.

WAKE UP!!! Jesus WANTED Mary. Jesus WANTED wine. Jesus WANTED supper. Jesus WANTED power. Jesus LUSTED for power. 90% of the hominids on this planet have NO knowledge of or concern for Jesus Christ. I’m here to tell you IT’S OVER. Jesus Christ is DEAD and he will not come back. We’re all alone in the universe. OK? Now let’s get to the issues. Let’s throw off the yoke of GUILT and MORALITY of Judaism. Think about it. Americans pay penitence on every corner on every Sunday to Judaism, while the discriminating, superior and chosen Jews run off with the world. Someone has to get the masses off the opiates. Reality is what we make.

Christianity was forced on the masses, as Dr. Pierce said, “by fire and sword.” Few converted to that insane religion of their own free will, at least few White people. It was foisted on them by kings, popes and emperors who wanted to consolidate their power over the masses and used Christianity as a political expedient to get that done.

Really, is the world any better off for two thousand years of Christianity? Is there any less war, suffering or cruelty? I think not. Deep down, I suspect most Christians feel they have been conned, but stick to their religion out of habit, knowing that’s it’s not really true.

Recreational drugs are illegal. Opium is illegal. The government must provide rehab for the masses using the opiates. 70% of the American population is OFF the Christian opiate. Most of the balance will be DEPORTED on grounds of unconstitutional “status” such as that obtained through unconstitutional amnesty, asylum and “emancipation.” The opiate problem is minimal and will positively respond to treatment and rehab. A desireable OUTCOME will be effected through serious DISCIPLINE.

remember Stalin once asked “How many legions does the pope have”? Stalin wasn’t so stupid was he? How many xians would go to war these days to give jesus to the mudz? Much to the dismay of the flag waving yahoo kwans, the support of the troops is’nt a very heated topic with muds flocking in to feast on zogs carcass.
One bumper sticker I saw the other day remind me of how the Soviets had to get behind their own troops in the Finnish war and shoot at them, it was “get behind
‘our’ troops or in front of them”, get the implication? When the zog does come apart it will be worse far worse than the Soviet Jewnion

The cox sucker cables boys are out today, apparently the above average rains have been playing havoc with all the underground cables. Its a thing thread that holds the kwa together these days, I’m getting to suspect the water system is’nt getting the necessary treatment, take it all with a teaspoon of chlorox, and you know the State and Shitty are hurtin’ to keep all those retirees receiving the porkn’beans from depleted revenues.. The Gubernor has been fingered for having encouraged the Highway dept. to lay down an interchange along the interstate….Oh yeah, he owns some property in that area… You know how jaysus favors the politicians, give unto them and yer doin’ the Lawds work.

Walt Williams, Thank you for the outstanding articles on christianity from the National Alliance. They just about say all there is to say on the subject. Dr. Pierce’s untimely death was a tragedy of immense proportions to our people.

You’re right, NdG, Xianity does give its followers a (false) sense of superiority. It’s just a lot of childish “my god is better than your god/my dad is bigger than your dad” baloney. Christianity is for immature and insecure people.

And like you say, there were no pre-Christian crusades to convert anyone. When the Pagans conquered a people, they would ask “Who are your gods?” But they wouldn’t force the subjected people to give up their gods and embrace those of the victor. That would have been considered un-Aryan behavior.

Christianity is on the wane in the West, but the vestiges of poisonous Christian thinking may linger among many Whites for a long time to come.

Granted, I don’t go to my Enemy to get my religion, history, or God.
So….no old testament Jew God for me.

But Christ? Not so much a Jew God…..but not MY god either.
(Damn good teacher of basic, common sense though!)

Then again, I don’t consider Hitler to be much either, other than a good speaker….and possibly teacher. For those of you who don’t know, he died just the same as Christ. Sums that up fairly quick and simple.

So, we are left with doing it your way, or MY way.
In my Republic of America…we do it MY way. With a big old God somewhere doing something. One that doesn’t bother me much.

I don’t support any religion that wants me to pay for it.
If their God isn’t powerful enough to coin money to keep them afloat, he ain’t much of a God now is he?

In the end, Christianity has ruled the world for many years.
Jews soon followed with their hack God.
Now it’s the Muzzies turn. That is the way of things, old Gods fade, new ones appear. They all do the same things: Nothing.
So much for the power of God…..created and maintained by Man.
Let’s go ask these powerful “Pagans” how it turned out for them…..hmmm….methinks they didn’t survive. SO much for their God(s) too.

Whatever built and designed us, and put us into motion, is one helluva God.

That powerful a God isn’t worried what anyone, including you, think about anything he created. However, if you fuck it up, you might find him to be not a nice God. So don’t break his toys.

Remember kids, God is never the problem. Never was the problem. Never will be either.

Retarded Humans are the problem. Always were, are, and will be.
As Uncle Joe the Commie Stalin once said:

“No man….No Problem”.

There is your answer to everything above.

Is Christian Identity the answer for white people? Any Christian Identity people here from Ontario, Canada?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/cr_ident.htm