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The Founding Fathers would have provided for separation of school and state, if they could have even thought that the state could get into the school business (save the military academies). It was no more likely to them than the idea of racial equality-or really any kind of equality in the sense of capacity or achievement.

Most kids don’t need any formal education beyond the 9th or 10th grade. Instead, they should be starting an apprenticeship to learn a valuable lifelong trade at that point. But the liberal philosophy demands that everyone go through all 12-13 years of grade school and then, if at all possible, another 4 years of college. No wonder the quality of education has dropped precipitously over the past few decades while the costs have skyrocketed. My own public school education was the most intellectually stultifying experience of my life.

Death to mass-equality and mass democracy.

I pretty much agree with you, Tim. Though I would argue that if kids were taught properly (and assuming average intelligence and no learning disabilities), they could learn everything they really needed to know (reading, writing, arithmetic, geometry, geography, etc. — the basics) in 6 years or less. It’s ludicrous that you have university graduates today, sometimes even with English degrees, who can’t write a grammatical sentence if their lives depend on it (I’m not joking).

After that, it would depend on the child. Trades are good for some, but others might want to pursue higher studies. I definitely like the idea of returning to apprenticeships, which is almost unheard of today.

“That’s a good one. I might use it on my quotes page. Are you the author?”

All mine. I’ve been saving it for the opportune moment.

Disempowering white men and preparing them to assume a subservient place in the New World Order is part of the design of modern educational technique, which as Ellul says, has as its goal the prevention of another Hitler. I will quote at length a passage from The Technological Society, as it’s definitely worth it. Although this passage deals with the education of “children”, it’s equally applicable, if not more so, at the college level. He begins by quoting Mme Montessori in a speech she gave to UNESCO:

We must awaken the child’s social conscience. I know that is a complicated educational question, but the child who will become the man must be able to understand life and its needs, the fundamental reason for all existence, the search for happiness … He must know exactly what he must do and what he must not do for the good of humanity … To reach these ends, we must prepare the child to understand the meaning and necessity of the entente among the nations. The organization of the peace devolves more on education than on politics. To secure peace practically, we must envision a humane education, psychopedagogy, which affects not one nation but all men on earth … Education must become a truly humane science to guide all men to judge the present situation correctly.

Ellul then gives his analysis:

This statement seems to me truly remarkable in that it designates candidly the end of psychopedagogic technique in the best possible circumstances, within a liberal and democratic conception of man, state, and society. (Mme Montessori is a liberal and speaks for liberal countries.) I have taken Mme Montessori’s statement by way of example, but one could examine the purpose of this technique in numerous other pedagogical studies published in the past few years.

We note first of all that this technique must be implemented by the state, which alone has the means and the breadth to carry it through. But the rigorous application of the psychopedagogic technique means the end of private instruction – and therefore of a traditional freedom.

Second, this technique is “pantocrator”. It must be exercised over all men. If one man is left who is not trained according to its methods, there is the danger of his becoming a new Hitler. The technique cannot be effected unless all children are obliged to participate and all parents to co-operate. There can be no exceptions. If only a minority are educated to comply, this technique can resolve none of the problems it is intended to meet. We note again the aggressive character of technique. Mme Montessori emphasizes the fact that “it is necessary to free the child from the slavery of school and family” for him to enter the cycle of freedom proper to this technique. However, this freedom consists in a profound and detailed surveillance of the child’s activities, a complete shaping of his spiritual life, and a precise regulation of his time with a stop watch; in short, in habituating him to a joyful serfdom.[Emphasis added.]

In other words, what has been created is a system that not only starves white male genius, but is deliberately set up to prevent it from arising.

We should also note that technical genius — i.e., genius useful to the technological system — is the only kind of white male genius that is not starved under the current plan. The educational system was set up the way it is specifically to disempower white men, to strip them of their privileged place and position as intellectual leaders and protectors of their race, and to channel and restrict whatever sparks of genius that might remain to the realm of the purely technical, helping the system find new technical means to enslave and further disempower them. The destruction of the structure of the old, racist white culture is the goal, and these educational techniques are the means. Race and the cultures that arose from it are facts of nature, evolved over millions of years, that preceded the advent of the industrial society and stand outside of it. From its point of view, they represent a natural system comprised of obsolete techniques, incompatible with the expansion of the global technological system. Nothing less than the complete destruction of that system will enable their preservation.

mrcrouton Says:

School itself is mostly obsolete anyway. If you film the best teacher teach a course and record it and put it on Youtube, who needs the thousands of inferior teachers doing a bad job? Also one can watch a lesson at your own time and at your own pace.

Either way, public school ( a plank of the Communist manifesto) is a tax burden and needs to end,

No, you don’t get it. White kids must physically go to school and learn how to listen to niggers in positions of authority over them. This will prepare them for their future lives as workers in the corporations that make up our global plantation. They must be completely immersed in the mud flood. Little Sally must live with Jamal wagging his dick in her face on the school bus, or raping her in the stairwell, until she learns to like it. Little Jimmy must get his ass kicked by gangs of non-whites until he realizes his new place in the order of things.

Developing politically correct attitudes, breaking down the divisions of race and culture — THAT’s the point of the public school. Certainly not teaching them anything.

We should also note that technical genius — i.e., genius useful to the technological system — is the only kind of white male genius that is not starved under the current plan. The educational system was set up the way it is specifically to disempower white men, to strip them of their privileged place and position as intellectual leaders and protectors of their race, and to channel and restrict whatever sparks of genius that might remain to the realm of the purely technical,

No, it limits technical development too. The high era of White technical genius was BEFORE the progressives took full control. Read Gatto. Large corporations wanted cogs and also to stifle Edison types through public schooling. Progressives wanted to deemphasize-to-eliminate intellectual schooling, ie real schooling, and replace it with attitude adjustment, to the ends the quotes in your post explain. But, Gatto and Iserbyt and Blumenfeld offer far better explanations of this than Ellul who is riding his hobbyhorse. Gatto in particular is the must-read. He doesn’t get the jew angle, but he gets all the rest of it.

HS have discovered that it takes 100 hours to teach the three Rs. Once you know those, you have the tools to self-educate. So why does PS last sixteen years? to get people used to being bossed, get them used to obeying whistles, get them holding the right attitudes, get them used to being used to having their performance tied to morons rather than individually judged. Plus the PS wastes kids’ most energetic years, bores them, stifles them, wastes their time, keeps them around sicko progressive teachers and people their own age rather than adults truly interested in their character and intellectual development.

One thing I’ve noticed in some schools is that forced reading is used as a way to keep noisy kids quiet. As a result, the students will associate reading with punishement. Quel dommage.

Our modern technological age is the age of global teamwork, and that’s the technical reason why race and culture must be broken down.

So how’s that working in Japan, China, Israel, and among the Amish? It’s not. Your unwillingness to address evidence that controverts your theory makes you an ideologue. Technology can just as easily be used to preserve a race or culture as destroy it.

No offense Alex, but if you can’t see how the development of the technological system is driving all this, I don’t think you really understand Ellul’s arguments.

I understand that he and you have no case. As I have demonstrated.

What you don’t seem to grasp is that a single counterexample destroys a universal law.

The minute I give you an example refuting your universal law of technological development, you mutate it into some other theory. That doesn’t work.

alex Says:

What you don’t seem to grasp is that a single counterexample destroys a universal law.

The fact that races and cultures differ in their resistance to being assimilated into the global technological system isn’t a counter-example. It’s part of the theory.

“…this freedom consists in a profound and detailed surveillance of the child’s activities, a complete shaping of his spiritual life, and a precise regulation of his time with a stop watch; in short, in habituating him to a joyful serfdom.”

Yup, that’s about what public school felt like to me.

Public Schools for working class Whites who attended majority non Whites schools were a tragedy, a horror, and living hell, no matter if you knew how fight, run or learned what to expect/street wise.

Whites who did not go through this are lucky, but if the support any public school any where today they just do not understand the genocidal War of terror on Whites today.

A group that would shoot wounded men in a life raft then liek adn cover up, also control y/our government today.

http://www.ussliberty.org

“. . .if the global technological system were somehow to be destroyed, the Jews would have no power. . .”

How did jews manage to wreck all these nations before the technological era?

“Adam, that is an excellent post, as the physical violence, intimadation started against White Children in our large cities over 50 years and is now all over the place.”

Not just in the US. There are cities in England hosting ‘schools’ where white kids are a minority swamped by blacks and some asians and many of the newly arived can’t even speak English.

On VNNF UK section we covered a story about a shegro X-Factor/talent show contestant who made the later stages and was booted out because a mobile phone video was unearthed by the tabloids showing the female negro and non-White accomplice assaulting and bad-mouthing a redhead White girl. It was awful to watch.

Any inventive White who patents something and is making money from it will be targeted by them even if just to try to marry if he or she is single IMO etc.

Here’s that video I talked about:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/x_factor/article417626.ece

“X FACTOR finalist Emily Nakanda has been booted off the show after The Sun exposed her “Happy Slap” attack on a teenage blonde.

The 15-year-old singer was given her marching orders yesterday after we printed stills from a video of her beating up the girl, named only as Anna.

We earlier revealed how she was shown in a knife gang’s video threatening to cut out a boy’s EYES.”

Coming to a school near you. This happens more than we are told by the MSM I’m sure.

There are many teachers in my family (too many), including an aunt who is an elementary school teacher, another aunt who works with the disabled, and a grandmother who was a social worker and taught children violin and piano for 15 years. All three of these women emphasize the need to send children to school in order to “socialize” them. What they nominally mean by “socialization” is that kids will somehow be psychologically messed-up if they don’ spend any time with other kids of their own age (perhaps true, I don’t know, but there’s certainly ways for kids of the same age to spend time together without attending school). I don’t know about you, but to me, the term “socialization” has a creepy ring to it, like “conditioning” or “habituation” or “indoctrination.”

Yep, they all say this, almost all teachers. Why? They’re repeating what they get in their education classes. It’s NEA’s last line of defense, since they can’t, obviously, talk about test scores vs HSers. But even on socialization they’re wrong. See the forum. Kids do much better, by any standard of socialization you want to measure, when they are around adults and people of all different ages. In schools, they’re only around peers – people of the exact same age in all their classes. That’s where bad ideas circulate and peer pressure comes in. The kid at home listens to his parents and his siblings, and hears from whatever outside adults are used to teach. Just think about it, and you can see that the socialization argument is wrong. Not to mention, no white HS kid ever got molested or beat up by a nigger on the bus to public school.

Let’s not over look the Founder of the Home School Movement from the 1960’s, Rousus John Rushdoony.

I see the vast majority of Public School complainers are still Statist. For they have no value or meaning of life of their own. So even the Rebel, is Statist.