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One more thing: what Jack London book are you talking about?

in further reply to Hoosier:

you wrote, in part:

In both cases, the power I needed was indeed, inside myself. I just didn’t know it at the time, or I didn’t know how to access it. I didn’t NEED a God.

I think many people search out gurus, religions and “leaders” to avoid have to go through the struggle. That includes leaders and followers in the White movement too. They want someone else to do their struggle for them. “Presto, chango, follow MY formula and you will be whole/rich/beautiful/wise/saved. I did all the hard work so you won’t have to.”

I can understand why, as the struggle can be unnerving when one is in the middle of it. After all, one doesn’t know how it will turn out, until it’s over.

in reply:
Far too many of those in the self-identified “White Movement” are simply looking the best Idea, in the worst possible light.

They are looking at it solely for what is in it for them, and the answer, far too often, is an opportunity to “act out” in very inappropriate ways.

Hence, the “incompetent males” you find so often at self-identified “White Nationalist” meetings. Meetings are usually another bad habit, brought about because no one wants to take the responsibility to actually Do Something. Yet, Doing Something is the only way they can accrue effectiveness, particularly political effectiveness. “Effectiveness,” you will realize, is another word for “power.” Only competent people can handle responsibility responsibly. In turn, that leads us another profoundly important Insight from Alex Linder, which ties into this discussion.

Alex Linder said (paraphrasing):

They tell you power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Nonsense. Power is the test of Character.

Competency, responsibility, and power as the test of character.

This is the hallmark of a Patriarchal social order, the social order that is responsible for Civilization.

People quote “leaders and gurus” selectively, and all too often, out of context.

They do so, all too often, to avoid responsibility for their decisions, or lack of decision, and that is fine.

The willingness to accept responsibility is the key to earning sustainable power, and the willingness of accept responsibility is THE hallmark between the Child, and the Man.

This requires the Child to leave Mother, and be in the Company of Men, developing his Persona into an Adult Masculine Persona.

Remove him of that necessary obstacle, that all-important opportunity in disguise, and the Boy never has the opportunity to become a Man, much less a Patriarch.

Jack London deals with these issues with great aplomb, particularly his stories dealing with life in the North, using wolves as metaphor for the best of us, Racially,

Useful reading.

I was assigned the duty in Seventh Grade to read and report on “To Build A Fire.” An excellent short story, I saw it through the eyes of a Child.

Now, I make constant internal reference to it as a metaphor for discussion of Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model.

In the lonely, dark hours, Jack London’s North writings might make useful companionship for finding the Core of who you are, and What You Can Do About It.

Linder had it right: Power Is The Test Of Character.

Jack London would have totally agreed with him.

So do I!

Note, in my sig, the important point no one wants to discuss; that Covington has removed our excuses.

That says a lot about us, as well.

my new sig:

Starship Captain Christopher Pike, to the young, impetuous, failed Iowa farmboy, and failed barfighter, James Tiberius Kirk:

“I dare you to do better.”

Harold Covington’s Northwest Quartet removes our excuses, offering in their place an entire Nation, a White Homeland, and a path whereby our Posterity may one day walk Among The Stars.

There’s nothing better.

you wrote:

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Jesus doesn’t exist… and white people are fucked!

Immaculate Conception?
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in reply:
If I can flesh out what I think your questions might be, in the framework of this thread’s topic…

One, Jesus is dead.

He died two thousand years ago, on the Cross.

Christ Lives.

Christ, the SPIRIT – the “Word, who was with God, and was A God” – came out of the tomb, and has acted to spur the best of the West to move forward.

Look at how our pagan forebearers failed, because of disorganization at any higher level than the local tribe, and see how they succeeded by putting away their provincial limits, and united under a dynamic, Masculine Christianity.

THAT Word – “A God, who was WITH God” – lives, and simply asks for those who are ready to talk with Him to do so.

In turn, His Father allows the Adversary Forces to test us to the point of the destruction of the Illusions we have unwittingly accepted, and have allowed to rule our lives, to our misfortune.

Two, Immaculate Conception – “parthenogeneis,” seen in the (material_ microcosm we call Nature, for example – was prefigured in the works that prefigured the Christian Era.

Let’s not mince words here.

Christianity’s spiritual direct ancestor was Zoroastrianism; read THEIR Sacred Text.

Christianity, in turn, is found in just four books of the Bible – the Gospel – and what Christianity MAY become is found in the book authored by Jesus Christ – see the beginning of it – the Revelation, penned by the most advanced Initiate on the face of the Earth at the time.

Rome – temporal power – and Judaism – a Racial Philosophy – worked ruthlessly to pervert Christianity, starting with the First Council of Nicea, where the doctrines of karma and reincarnation were voted out of “Christian” doctrine by a three to two vote, as the Church – the Insitutional form of Christianity – became the handmaiden of the State.

The Jews, in turn, working, as always, on behalf of their “Father, the Devil,” have worked to reduce Christianity to another, controlled temporal philosophy, starting with the Second Council of of Nicea, and hitting their irreversible peak with Vatican II, the only Vatican Conclave that was not limited to discussing theological issues, but only the Jew-created doctrine of “racism.”

Hence, my opposition to the Institutional Church.

That having been said, it is useful to recall a point first made by Peter shank, and which I have made repeatedly:

Christianity is the ONLY religion the Jews stand in direct opposition to. wen we attack “Christianity,” we do the work of the Jews for them.

Why, do you suppose, with all of their experience, and all of their learning, enhanced over a period of centuries, do the Jews only fight ON religion?

What do they know, that we refuse to see?

Why is that, do you suppose?

my new sig:

Starship Captain Christopher Pike, to the young, impetuous, failed Iowa farmboy, and failed barfighter, James Tiberius Kirk:

“I dare you to do better.”

Harold Covington’s Northwest Quartet removes our excuses, offering in their place an entire Nation, a White Homeland, and a path whereby our Posterity may one day walk Among The Stars.

There’s nothing better.

New America says:

“Christianity is the ONLY religion the Jews stand in direct opposition to. wen we attack “Christianity,” we do the work of the Jews for them.”

BS. Look at the other Jesus thread, I explain why.

Tim, these CI and Christard types don’t care about yours or my logic, what matters to them is that they get to the heaven they have been taught to believe in all their lives. People like us who point out how bad Christinsanity is for the White race threaten what they have been raised to believe ever since they were children. They so desperately want to hang on to Christianity and that wonderful afterlife they have been promised, to abandon that would be like abandoning their own mothers. I know. I was one of them for the first 22 years of my life and I was terrified to question what I’d been taught.

So, what do these people do when they are confronted with the true reality of Christianity? They do everything they can to hang on to it and be “racial” too. That’s why CI is always so popular with these folks. Claim Jewsus was a Aryan and the “real” Israelites were Aryans, and wallah! logical problems with Jewsus really being a yid solved. The other way out for them is to claim that the Jews hate Christianity, so we should embrace it and never attack it. This is cowardice and a cop out in my opinion.

in reply to Tim McGreen:

you wrote, quoting me:
“Christianity is the ONLY religion the Jews stand in direct opposition to. wen(sic) we attack “Christianity,” we do the work of the Jews for them.”

What about Islam? The Jews know that the Mohammedans pose a greater threat to their stranglehold on the world than the pussified Christians do.

in reply:
No, the Jews know Islam poses a direct demographic threat to the Zionist entity in Plestine.

The Jews have long made their peace with all but the most immoderate of the Islamic nations, because they recognize each other as Racial Kindred, united in their common hatred of the West, the White Race, and Western Civilization.

After all, both deny that Jesus is the Christ.

Thus, both serve the Spirit of Anti-Christ.

my new sig:

We Have A Destiny To Meet, And A Duty To Fulfill.

Harold Covington’s Northwest Quartet removes our excuses, offering in their place an entire Nation, a White Homeland, and a path whereby our Posterity may one day walk Among The Stars.

Take Control Of The Destiny That Is Rightfully Yours.

“For “Christian White Nationalists” Jewsus and getting into heaven will always trump race. That’s why I always say you can’t be a Christian and a racist at the same time- they are opposing ideologies. I’m glad Alex is on the right side of this issue.

I wonder what our resident Christard Conservative Tom McReen has to say about this? You love Jewsus, don’t you Tom? ;-)”

Haven’t even had a chance to take in another VNN Christianity-bashing thread and first post, Blackshirt1488 is straight in there lying that I am a Conservative Christian again.

I’m amused by Blackshirt1488 sucking up to Alex as I am disappointed by Alex giving these anti trolls encouragement. If the future of White Nationalism is Blackshirt and Tim McGreen then White Nationalism has no future.

“I don’t see Christianity and White Nationalism being opposed philosophies.”

Me neither. It’s moot. Also, it’s Blackshirt the troll riding on the atheism of this website’s owner and doing a megalmomaniac Mike Jahn by setting the terms of WNism for us. We didn’t ask.

I want to save the White race. I don’t give a shit about atheism or joining in with fake ‘WN’ trolls who get a kick out of bashing Christianity and pushing their PERSONAL beliefs.

“Well it is so transparent that it is very hostile. If it were a little more subtle it would be an attempt at subterfuge. But when one post right after the other congratulates the one before… It is a typical extremely hostile Jew. And the typical extremely hostile Jew is a gay Jew. Which is what this thing is. I think it is more than one however.”

It is bizarre, isn’t it? You’d think that an operation with so much time and effort to dedicate to subverting VNN would be a bit more subtle…

“Tom and Curt, if you represent the best that the “WN movement” has to offer, then it’s small wonder the Jews and their armies of colored inferiors are winning on every front.”

Jews are helped more by ‘Whites’ who support censoring debate about the holohoax and who love the 1960s anti-White counter-culture.

Wait a minute…

What bothers me about Xianity the most, perhaps, is how many of its adherents try to force their religious beliefs down your fucking throat. If you don’t believe, or stop believing, then their all-loving and compassionate Christian god is going to throw you into Hell forever. And Christians also prey on the dumb savages in Africa and Asia, so that religion obviously makes no distinction between the races.

If you’re a Christian, fine, just keep it to yourself. I don’t want to know about your bowel habits, your love life or your nutjob religion. And don’t ever try to proselytze anyone in my family, either.

“If you’re a Christian, fine, just keep it to yourself. I don’t want to know about your bowel habits, your love life or your nutjob religion.”

Bowel habits? That obsession is all yours, Moishe.

“And don’t ever try to proselytze anyone in my family, either.”

Says the self-appointed boss of WNism and proselytiser of ‘White’ marxism.

So, Tom, you’d be willing to work with me, a Non-Christian, WN? Well, good. You understand that Tim would be able to study Aleister Crowley if he so wished, right? You’d be able to go to the church of your choice, and I’d be able to go fishing on Sunday mornings. Or sleep in.

We just couldn’t do it with niggers, Jews and Mexicans, and I doubt if any of us would want to anyway.

I think it’s work. My worry is if Christians outnumber the non-Christians, then it’d turn into a Christian movement anyway.

But, it’s just an idea on a internet message board, and without some sort of committee to ratify it and go forward, it’s just words on a screen.

Tom McReen Says:

2 November, 2009 at 8:12 pm

“…………FYI, Timmy likes Aleister Crowley and the Manson Family so he is understandably hostile to Christianity :)”
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Tom’s sarcasm has reminded me that Charles Milles Manson’s 75th birthday is on November 12th. He is a sort of Christ-like figure, isn’t he? But his sufferings are far worse than anything Jesus supposedly experienced.

“Does it support the highest and best interests of Mankind, which are to be found in the Race and genome of the White Race?

That’s it, and nothing else matters.”

I’ll only speak for myself, as I won’t speak for all of mankind. But no, not for for me it doesn’t, because I don’t believe it to be true. True in the sense that the things in the Bible actually happened.

I agree with you that many beautiful things came about through Christianity, but I believe it was US that gave Christianity it’s beauty. WE are beautiful, and so we molded Christianity into our own image. WE are “western civilization.” WE are the most important component, not Christianity. It’s true that Christianity is part of the reason we have the problems we do today.

But it’s also true that Christianity was one of the pillars of the USA, and provided a positive moral structure. It’s also true that the Jews hate it with a passion. It’s also true that once it goes down, so does the USA, into a mindless mess of consumerism and kill or be killed.

Although I’m not Christian, I was raised in a German/Lutheran working class/middle class enviornment, and although I don’t beleive it, I really can’t abandon it either. It’s my roots, the soil where I came from. I’m not a Christian, but I still think this is a beautiful song:

http://tinyurl.com/yb9rpo3

I suppose that my proposal of:

“1. Whites only
2. Freedom of religion. A person can worship, or not worship, in any manner he or she so chooses, as long as it adheres to point 1.”

is my attempt to cut through the Gordian knot. I think it’s the only thing that can possibly work at this late date.

NA.

I have to say. my own personal “morality” for lack of a better word has taken a shift, from whatever mush it was before to something pretty close to “winning by any means necessary.” It’s a simplier, sturdier kind of mind frame, in direct oppostition to thinking like this.

http://tinyurl.com/yz8ofnr

“There is a lot of talk about character and morality here by men who can’t explain why theirs is any better than Stalin’s, except that theirs promotes survival for the white race.”

I counter that simply assuming survival to be the only standard for good opens the door to every manner of evil done in the name of that ultimate goal. We can lie, cheat, and steal our way to survival and call it morality! As I said, this is no standard at all.”

It’s not HIS standard, that’s for sure. But from my viewpoint, this particular line of thinking is a sure fire way to end up like the guy in this song:

http://tinyurl.com/ypanrp

Oh yeah, it opens the door to all kinds of possibilities that before were closed. He is right about that. But he seems to close the door to “offensive action” – going on the offense, Because it’s “evil,” because he says so. I suppose his reasoning “why” is because it’s “not Christian.” But tell me, what is more masculine than going on the attack, or taking “offensive action?”

Have you ever played football, NA? I have. Can you imagine a football team that does nothing but plays defense and never offense? What’s the odds of them ever winning a football game?

The funny thing is, I’ve become more compassionate, and have developed a real empathy for people in the same boat that I’m in, and even some blacks and others, who, through no fault of their own, are in the same stew we are. The smarter blacks can see what’s going on and they are TERRIFIED. They don’t want us to go down, because they know that they will go down with us. Potential allies? Maybe.

On the other hand, those that attempt to treat me poorly, well, I’m not sure yet what my limits are yet as far as what I am willing to do to them. I have proven to myself that I will take offensive action, and I can’t put into words how RIGHT and GOOD it feels. Uh, no, I am not saying that I committed acts of violence against anyone. Duh.

It could be that Christianity, in it’s present state, is failing because this offensive action, or offensive energy, gets blocked or discouraged because it’s “evil,” or outside the parameters of “good.”

But I believe it MUST be included – in a “new” form of Christianity, or in some way, or we shall lose. No, I’m not advocating violence against anyone in particular. Duh.

But sooner or later, we need to get in touch with our “Inner Rorschach:”

http://tinyurl.com/da4rl7

“None of you seem to understand. I’m not locked up here with you. YOU’RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME!”

What a great line. If only we can somehow “remember” that we, white men, are indeed, the most successful and deadly predator on the planet, and stop thinking of ourselves as “victims.” And the current forms of Christianity just can’t provide that.

Ah, there it ’tis. H/T to the czar of the VNN mainpage, Socrates.

^I wanted to add to my 2nd to last ^ message: I think that “offensive” or “attack” energy (I haven’t found the right phrase I’m looking for, but I’m assuming I’m being understandable) houldn’t be the ONLY form used, but I sure think it needs to be added into the mix.

How today’s Christianity could “stretch” to include it is something I can’t answer.

K. I will take a look at it, but I must get back to some affairs I am dealing with, so won’t be commenting. Blessings to you and yours, NA, and I hope to talk to you later.