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The Nordic race is the only true “white race”. The Alpine and Mediterranean branch of our race are technically “white,” but with some non- white admixture. The Nordic race is the most valuable component of our race, but unfortunately the component that is disappearing the most rapidly, thru low birth rates and miscegenation with non-white races.

Steve Sailer has a good article about defining race today: http://vdare.com/sailer/080615_race.htm

The issue with Southern Europeans is the fact that they represent a distinctly different ethnic admixture than the people who initially settled America. The first settlers were Northern Europeans and tended to settle in ethnically homogeneous communities. It is no different than Britain letting in Poles.

There is diversity in whiteness and the cultures we practice, so the idea of a traditionally Northern European settlement (America) letting in people who are culturally and ethnically different is, of course, going to not hold a lot of favor for people who want to preserve culture and demographics.

As far as WN’s are concerned, I would suggest not abiding by the stricter definitions of past generations because the priorities for whites today is our basic survival as a race. Our culture is already destroyed. All whites who hold the same basic principles are my brothers in battle.

I think the future will be small communities of self-supporting whites. This is where ethnic definitions might play a more important role in helping to rediscover our past cultures and finding the things that unify individuals together back into a cohesive identity.

One more thing: historically, the jews have always tried to avoid the issue of what constitutes “real jewishness” because of the potential for causing infighting.

Only after the state of Israel was created did they resolve this matter by legally defining jews as a matrilineal ethnic group.

They waited until the time was right before they tackled the “who’s who” question, and so must we.

Someone is White if he is accepted as such by the White Tribe.

“As far as WN’s are concerned, I would suggest not abiding by the stricter definitions of past generations because the priorities for whites today is our basic survival as a race. Our culture is already destroyed. All whites who hold the same basic principles are my brothers in battle.”

I agree with that to a certain extent. Politically we can work together, but that doesn’t mean we can’t maintain our unique ethnic and racial heritage. Why can’t we do both? We can.

“but they have a degree of non-white blood”

This is what I dispute. There is absolutely no evidence to substantiate this. You can substantiate that individual regions, due to historical events, underwent nominal to greater than nominal levels of race mixing, but as a whole, the Alpine and Med. racial types are not racially mixed in of themselves. I could show you examples of non-white admixture into parts of the population of Finland that is outwardly Nordic as a whole.

I think that the proper course is to preserve the genetic diversity within the “European Race”, as Lindbergh refered to it as, so far as is feasible.

The best way to achieve this goal is to reassert the tradional nations of Europe free from muds and jews.

Still we need inter-White National solidarity and co-operation even once we dispense with the jews and muds to counter the rising threat to our global dominance by the chinese.

There are 1.3 billion of those motherfuckers and they are not low IQ savages like niggers.

Blackshirt,

Lets not jump the gun. The scenario you described is silly, it will not happen.

Hitler used Spanish and Italian soldiers in Operation Barbarossa because he had great respect for them. He had great personal respect for Mussolini.

One of my good friends is half-Sicilian and no one would mistake him for non-White. I wouldn’t even have known unless he told me.

When it comes to some of the peaks of European civilizational achievement you Meds have got nothing to worry about. Perhaps its us Nordics who should feel inferior by comparison.

I do however suspect that there are minor genetic differences beyond just the obvious ones of physical appearances. I suspect Meds are more gifted in terms of painting, sculpting, and depth of spirituality. Also, I suspect they are more gregarious on average.’

Also, I would like to preserve the unique look of Nordics as I suspect you would like to preserve the unique look of Meds.

We need not institute any special policies to achieve this end, it occurs naturally. Italian-Americans mostly keep to their own and have a stronger ethnic identity than most other White Americans.

In Europe we don’t see tons of Italians and Spanish flooding into Nordic countries even though under the EU they are free to do so. They are mostly happy to stay and breed amongst their own. In fact now many British are moving to Spain and Italy to get out of the multicult nightmare that is Britain.

Even many jews look Nordic. I can’t really think of any really Nordic looking ones off hand but Natalie Portman could certainly pass as a Northern European. Even if some people had jew blood in them but look White I would accept them into our racial family so long as so long as they were really with us. Not back stabbing crypto-kikes.

Well stated, Whitepride, and thank you.

We tend to forget that historically Roman north Africa was very White. So was present day Turkey, before the 12th century. Iran was once too.

This is an excellent debate about why bonds based solely upon race WON’T work… bonds of common goals and faith WILL work, even if they cross ethnic lines.

We’ve all known too many villains of our own kind… and loyal friends not of our immediate ethnic heritage.

I appreciate what you said White Pride, and I know there are level-headed and rational White racists out there like yourself. With that said, there are lots of Nordic Supremacists out there who aren’t rational and talk a good deal amongst themselves and sometimes on forums about eliminating Slavs and Meds from the White racial family. Often they don’t come right out and say it, but they will differentiate by claiming to accept only “Germanic” and “Nordic” elements of the populations of Southern and Eastern Europe. One can only speculate as to how these folks would operate if given the chance to purge the White race of the “mongoloid tainted” Slavs or the “swarthy” Southern Europeans. I personally don’t trust them and I understand what they really mean.

“One problem, when the shit hits the fan and his groups interests (black or jew say) with your groups interests (White) which do you suppose he will side with.”

What you say is true, Whitepride, but when I say a bond of common goals and faith, if said individual (I wasn’t really talking about blacks and jews, but they’ll serve as the extreme instance of crossing ethnic boundaries) ‘sided with their own group’ merely on the basis of race, then they wouldn’t fit my initial criteria of common goals and faith with other ‘white’ individuals.

And what Blackshirt says is very real… we can talk all we want about white solidarity, but if we could snap a finger and make all non-whites disappear, would the next ‘problem’ on the earth become Nordics versus Alpines versus Mediterraneans?

Hitler’s biggest mistake was looking as Slavs as lesser peoples worthy only of subjugation, instead of being a true liberator during the Russian invasion.

So the bottom-line remains… it’s wonderful to think of a world where all whites put their differences aside and fight the ‘common’ enemy. Unfortunately, the common enemy is comprised of too many of our own kind… and people of true good will are in sufficient numbers amongst our so-called enemies, so that eradication based solely upon race would never be a righteous act… and the white man can’t operate properly unless he believes he’s got God on his side.

If a jew has half Nordic blood, he is no longer a Nordic in any sense of the word. He may have blond hair and blue eyes, but psychically, he is a jew thru and thru.
The jew debases any bloodline he mixes with. Whatever shape our future White Nationalist State ultimately takes the first priority is for it to be absolutely kike free.

Hitler didn’t “fuck up” on the Slavic question at all. They may be white, and I welcome them into this fight, but they sure as hell aren’t Germanic people – and that was (rightly) Hitler’s first priority.

In today’s battle, a bigger one than Hitler ever dreamed of, Linder’s definition is a good one.

Now if we can just get some adults involved….

Here, here Randolf! Well put. Hitler wasn’t a Pan Aryan at all, he was a German Nationalist first and foremost. He did move towards Pan Aryanism once the war started to turn against the Germans out of pure necessity- he didn’t have enough German supermen left to put into the field. Men like Leon Degrelle showed what Pan Aryanism could’ve been if it had been given a chance.

But you are 100% correct Randolf… Hitler did fuck up in the East. If he would’ve listened to Alfred Rosenberg instead of allowing Himmler to dictate policy in the East, the Germans could’ve made good use of the goodwill they encountered in places like the Ukraine, etc. Despite what the Western allies say, the war for Germany was lost in the East.

All of this is irrelevant now, though. WWII was over 60 years ago and anyone who is still fighting it in their minds are usually Holywood Nazis.

My Mammy’s a blue-eyed Nordic Princess and my Pappy’s a brown-eyed Alpine Bull – so what does that make us? – a green-eyed growling grunting schweinhund.

“White” Is Mere Abstraction Fraught With Difficulty
(Apollonian, 18 Jun 08)

Problem w. use of “white” for designation of race is it’s abstraction, which abstraction is automatically inferior to more specific designation, German, Celt, Slav, Italian, etc. Even “European” would be better than gross abstraction, “white.”

So as soon as u find urself using such abstraction, “white,” u’ll note u’re in trouble, having to deal with others’ special pleading. For that’s always the problem w. abstractions, the definitions and necessary references thereto.

For “white” refers to color, hence looks, and what if u have a scummy, hook-nose Jew who otherwise “looks” nearly white?–hey, that’s “white” enough for a Jew, Jews who create reality and truth, don’t forget, Jews to whom God is mere slave (see RevisionistHistory.org, TruthTellers.org, and Come-and-hear.com for best Talmudic expo).

“White” then is only useful when opposed to visibly non-white races, and main issue in such case is simply civilization and reason against non-whites’ non-civilization and non-reason–which isn’t always the case, though often enough–as all races strive for civilization. Never forget the leaders of anti-reason ARE ALWAYS JEWS. And Jews closest followers among “whites” are always queers.

And this non-civilization and non-reason IS ALWAYS premise for MORALISM by which one is supposed to relinquish pride and loyalty for race.

Always, always–whenever one encounters anti-whites, it’s always in service OF MORALISM, hence Pharisaism, always–and these moralists are almost always led by Jews and their suck-along whites (paid by Jews, many of them being actually queers).

So the best advice is to remember “white” is mere abstraction and has ONLY provisional, NEVER DEFINITIVE, utility for discussion of race and civilization. For all races strive towards civilization, reason, honor, respect, pride, and loyalty–ONLY THE JEW HATES SUCH REASON, and always in name of MORALISM, always.

That’s why problem is really this putrid moralism and stupid, scummy, dip-shits who pretend they can be “good,” the puke. Thus inferiority complex is always the base and motive of this disgusting yearning for “good” which moralism then ALWAYS becomes enemy of race–all races, even the non-whites who are used as enforcers against the white races.

CONCLUSION: Discussion of race is never complete without discussion of civilization and culture, thence of moralism and under-lying philosophy–it’s all a gross can-of-worms which requires most cultured circumspection. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

I’ll break it down like this……..a lot of you are jews spewing disinformation into the white media, in effforts to re-engineer the movement via: the internet. I’ve caught many of you jews with fly-by-nite orgnaizations, attempting covert design mass-media, that sheds you in a white light. Or some turncoats, caught and forced to fish for suckers. Either way, you ain’t gonna Matt Hale me, I don’t know who the fuck you are. Even if your great-great grandma was breeding with jews in efforts to control modern-era populations like this, I still can identify you via code, facial recognition, and strategy. Your textbook templates and design, make it easy to spot you. What did Doc Pierce wrote in Turner Diaries? He wrote, “they filtered out only the purest, more than other cities did.”

“The issue with Southern Europeans is the fact that they represent a distinctly different ethnic admixture than the people who initially settled America. The first settlers were Northern Europeans and tended to settle in ethnically homogeneous communities.”

Geez, and I thought the first settlers in America were Spaniards led by an Italian Admiral!

To my northern European cousins: that’s mighty White of you guys to consider us “meds” white too. Especially when you consider that civilization came to Europe from Rome. While my ancestors had hot and cold running water, indoor toilets, and a colliseum that seated 50,000 with a retractible roof, yours were wearing animal skins, dancing around fires, and shaking rattles.

But that’s history. We sure do have to stick together now against our common enemy, the Jews.

Speaking of the Jews, let’s remember our more recent history: who beat the Jews in the 20th Century? Answer: FRANCO.

Hitler lost.

I believe there is an American race composed of the posterity of the colonial populations, who were celtics and germanics: scotts, english, germans, and dutch specifically and I think it should stay that way. certainly more mixing has occurred with eastern and southern europe but i think it should cease, all immigration in fact , and maintain America as a celtic/germanic northern european nation.

I hope everyone will watch these two exemplary, short videos that were posted on Curt Maynard’s blog, and draw inspiration from them (especially in light of the frequent in-fighting I see here:

http://curtmaynardsblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/only-aryans-are-capable-of-this-thing.html

http://curtmaynardsblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/aryans-of-asia.html

Unite against the blight!