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in reply to Roxanne Satinspar:

you wrote:

Why do things like the men’s movement (what a strange concept, usually the people running things don’t need movements- is it an admission of defeat to a degree that now it really is needed?) that they need a “commercialized” aspect. Retreats, books, ‘programmes’ and scripts (”Now Bob Wildman will read a poem while Mike Ironheart will play drums and chant, feel the Power!”).

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Essentially, it is an attempt to redefine a model that was truly spiritual in nature, and was truly unspoken. It was learned through nonverbal behavior, to a remarkable degree. Thus, attempts to reduce it to a written formula are inherently doomed, as the spiritual truths we are dealing with existed before the formation of words, which can only dimly describe them.

Formulae are required for marketing purposes, more than anything else, and are a measure of the desperation felt by those who need it.

On the other hand, the desperation is so great that rowboats will be seen, not as lifeboats, but as the ship, itself. Worse, they will look at the trip in the rowboat as the functional equivalent of the greater voyage, itself.

Such is what happens when you substitute materialistic formulae for spiritual growth.

you wrote:

I agree with the ‘give space and let them work stuff out on their own’ as opposed to the “therapy” model (AKA Mommy will take over and make everything OK, give you “to-do lists”, this is what you need, mother knows best.” and keep you busy with behavior modification , make-overs, etc .) Might as well put a collar around your neck. Don’t have to decide anything on your own, let Mom take care of everything.

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But, that is exactly what the JUDEO-feminist totalitarian state does.

That is why the nation is not the country – the land itself – or the State – a legal framework for organization.

The nation derives organically, spiritually, from the Family – the Family, as the microcosm of the RACE, the RACE as the macrocosm of the Family, and RACE as the Living Bridge between Family and Culture.

Materialistic reductionism MUST fulfill its purpose directly at the expense of the inherently spiritual organic process of development.

Thus, “proposition nations” eventually degenerate, and are defeated, by “blood and soil” nations, even as the goddamned JEW created and controlled Soviet Union was defeated by the White Russian people.

Incidentally, look at the quality of Leadership called forward by the Russian people; Putin is smart, strong, and a Man’s Man, in the fullest sense of the term. The fact that he is a world class martial artist, as well, is all the more impressive.

The demonic Jews, however, have either “female” leaders, or male figureheads who are so soft they might as well be taking estrogen treatments…

you wrote:

This “Promise_keeper” stuff I don’t get. Trying to reclaim manhood as sort of religion and sports stadium mixed together? It reeks of formulaic, not dynamic, “follow my recipe” thus feminine.

** Recipes are not based on ever-changing decisions.** Recipes are based on consistency and making predictions about what to do based on the same stuff happening over and over because it works. Cooking. Drinking liquids when one is sick, or teaching young children to read

Recipes are for food. If you are a good cook, you can deviate from the recipe and make up your own. If you aren’t very intuitive about what goes with what, you better stick to form.

In the women’s circle, or world, one benefits greatly from our own circle teaching things, advice on children, food, illnesses,etc., because of what I said about redundancy, and the same stuff happening over and over again. Most ideas traded are how to make these chores and problems easier, or handled well. It’s unchanging as the progression of children from babies to adults will always require the same stuff, physical, mental, emotional support, over and over. Chores, keeping things running in a circle , like a wheel, but the man is supposed to drive the car someplace, not just go ’round and ’round.

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Form is all the feminine societies have to offer; their Substance, in terms of making the world a better place, is exactly nil.

you wrote:

As I said before, women’s influence is not necessarily decision, not should it be. Men resent the hell out of that- well, most do, the kind that like being led seem to love it. Usually though, men don’t look in a reflecting pond ( like a woman) and say, “That is reality, the reflection, that is the way things should be”. You look in to get ideas and get your own wheels spinning. At rare times, the pond will reflect the same thing you are thinking.But that happens by ‘accident” or “coincidence” , not by the man “agreeing to terms”.

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But “women’s influence” BECOMES “decision,” de facto, as she refuses to accept the situation as it is, and bitches, moans, and complains until HE makes HER decision THEIR decision.

To many men in intimate relationships, the relationship, in time, seems to be little more than “bait and switch,” with her having “baited” him with all manner of unconditional support and approval during courtship, which suddenly became quite conditional, following his commitment to marriage.

Suddenly, the invisible range of State powers and sanctions can become all too visible to him, all too soon, as HER decisions are now the STATE’S decisions, and are backed by court-ordered enforcement.

Is there any reason young men look at what the divorce bomb – the original “capitalist weapon,” if ever there was one – did to the men they relied upon to teach the the Learning of Men, and said, “Marriage? No way, unless there are a wall of circuit breakers (prenups, entity protection, asset protection systems) between me, what I have created, and the divorce bomb.”

Talk to young ladies about this, and they really report strong feelings of betrayal – by their Older Sisters.

And rightfully so.

you wrote:

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion men are better off figuring out how to be men on their own, and amongst their own, they need to figure things out on their own-take the initiative without being led.

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But. the Mommy State’s Shadow is the Totalitarian States, the goddamn JEWISH State, where all that is not allowed, is forbidden.

And, Mommy States don’t want Men around, save as controlled, gelded, indentured servants.

By controlling The Dogs, as in “Animal Farm,” the Form of the Mommy State masks the Substance of the Totalitarian State, just as JUDEO-Christianity masks offers the Form of Christianity, but masks the Substance of Judaism.

Men need time in the company of Men to become Men, preferably engaged in the shared Work of accomplishing a greater Purpose.

The most successful Masculine organizations – the Jesuits, the U. S. Marine Corps – have this in common.

And that’s why the demonic Jews, and their Feminist entities, hate them…

And the Boy Scouts.

So, congratulations.

Gelded, Feminine Europe – the Mommy State – needs the Father of strong, certain (Orthodox!) Christian Russia, to counter the Masculine forces of Islam.

If the bitches don’t want to end up wearing burkas, they had better shut the fuck up, and work to develop the Eurasian Nation, as the West’s Masculine Christian response to JUDEO-Asiatic Hegemony…

While they can.

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Men need a good woman to tie them to the earth whilst they work on their great, creative, seemingly impractical plans. The two work together, maybe unconsciously, but necessarily. If anyone knows of a great, creative man who was able to come up with what he did, without some woman or other in the apparent “background” – mother or wife or girlfriend – I would like to know his name.

Socrates needed the shrewish Xanthippe. He could not have accomplished what he did without her. No one, male or female, can be highly successful without someone to assist him or her, and oftentimes that “assistance” is, to the viewer, a harsh presence.

Yes, true, Stronza. dammit, now I have to rethink my plan.

Well, I’d like to avoid the type of woman who’d ruin my life – I’ve had one of those, but I was lucky in a way, as a girl friend I had later – turned out to be truly wonderful, and “cured” me from a lot of the damage My “Wonderful Ex Wife” inflicted.

My ex wife was physically very attractive – but she did not like herself. For that reason, she became very draining to be around over time. She started fucking someone else pretty early in the marriage, and it hurt like hell.

She said it was because I didn’t pay attention to her, and she was right about that. Because she didn’t like herself, she seemed to need so MUCH attention, and no matter how much you gave her, it was never enough, so I was giving up trying.

My girlfriend, on the other hand, was not as physically attractive, but she was a real Christian woman. She operated from a spiritual base. The thing that became apparent to me early on was that she DID like herself.

I remember blurting out at dinner when we first started dating, “You LIKE yourself. (Name of ex wife) never liked herself, but I can tell you LIKE yourself and it’s so nice to be around you” and it was.

New America

One thing I know as an absolute fact: In a relationship with a woman, I have to be the leader. While not a guarantee it’d work, it’s the only way it can possibly work. I tried the “partnership” way, and even “let her lead” way, and it always ended up in disaster. In the cases when I was the leader, although imperfect, things went pretty well.

Admin:

I think another one got caught in the SPAM filter.

Thanks!

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One thing I know as an absolute fact: In a relationship with a woman, I have to be the leader.Damn right M.

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I think another one got caught in the SPAM filter.

Thanks!Re-read what was said — and chew on it — then ponder upon how YOU led in all those previous failed relationships. I too have been down that road with the amazonians, the feministas, the the…

…and with similar disappointing outcomes. That above post was posted for the pure and simple reason that I’ve found an approach with someone — AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING — therefore I wish to share it with you. Dogs are allowed to lead; especially when the one in tow ‘is a bitch’.

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But don’t call me a spammer.

in reply to Marwinsing:

My post about the spam filter concerned one of my posts, that I thought was trapped in the spam filter.

It seems it was trapped in the Zone of Lost Things.

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roxanne satinspar Says:
11 March, 2008 at 10:57 am

Funny how he doesn’t mention the stuff that most guys do, and how much “servitude” a man is expected to perform. How in the world did they get modern day women to think they had it so rough, and needed to be “liberated?”

IBL: (smile) you got my point, if you(men) were still running things, the idea of these men’s groups would not be necessary, but rather laughable, redundant. They probably weren’t called “men’s clubs” then because everything was for men (probably a phrase like “men’s club” meant like a playboy club, the same way “adult” today is code for porno, not “grown-ups”).

You made such a good point , if I have this right , if not let me know – about the way men have had much more taken away : loss of power/opportunities/security/freedom (you can add your own, you’re a man, you should know)- than women have had things they have not “been allowed to do” . I mean, if someone says “No” to something most women don’t want anyway, is that so much of a loss?

Taking away the things from White men they have earned and enjoyed since time immemorial , is like killing off their masculinity.
Eunuch-izing.
And “our” (women’s) microcosmic false gains ( many cases “gifted” , like affirmative action) came at such a horrible cost to you. It is so much better when a Man chooses to share, by his own volition, than be harangued or worse, as I believe NA said forced by ” Mommy-State USA “.

Hey Roxanne, don’t take anything I say too personally, I can tell you’re one of the good ones ;-)

A notable difference between the way women were supposedly “oppressed” in the past and the way men are being oppressed today is that the latter seems to be almost entirely based on hatred, envy, and resentment, whereas the worst that you could say about the former is that it may have been a little patronizing. It certainly wasn’t hateful or mean-spirited. When men let women and children go on the lifeboats while they chose to stay on the sinking Titanic and drown, are we really supposed to believe that men did so because they hated women or considered women beneath them?

Ich: Thanks for your kind words. I try to act in good faith, don’t take what you say personally- I know I am an anachronism.

Again , you make another important point, the contrast between how male oppression took shape versus what you describe as “patronizing” – Now because this word has been poisoned.

There is much hostility- men resent/don’t want responsibility/authority-women resent this “patronizing”,don’t want “guidance” or “protection”.
Word has more than one meaning-
http://www.bartleby.com/61/77/P0117700.html

but of course we tend to go with the most used or common definition- “to condescend ”
which is NOT the same meaning as how a father speaks to a child, or one unknowing , or a teacher- that is not an insult.
It has been developed as an insult, but it “ain’t necessarily so”.
If we *accept* it as so, it becomes so. Thus becomes “if you teach me, I am “less than” because I don’t yet know. My father is a professor- to me, teaching me is loving me, not “patronizing” me, in the “modern Communiverse” sense. He always took great joy when I learned something from him, then went further with it , or came up with a new angle on something. It was anything but “condescending” or “insulting”. So we can choose not to believe in “The Great Evil Patriarchy”, which is a foreign concept if one has respect and love for their father- when one is being taught something, one shuts up and listens, and appreciates that someone cares enough to bother teaching you. Perhaps this is not the popular modern American woman view.

WE are the ones who need reject Judeo-convenient definitions –
the way they seize upon twisting and redefining words/usage etc. -which leads to accepting/forming incorrect and warped beliefs .

from root “patr” Latin/Germanic/Greek
http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/IE410.html , the root of which , patr/patri/patria
also used in Repatriate/expatriate
return to fatherland/ leave fatherland..

Hoosier: “Are women really ‘winning’ in the brave new Judeo-American civilization we’re in?”

By the objectives set out by the women’s movement, they are, but not otherwise. Once you strip woman of her reproductive function, what are you left with? A mediocre man?

In the future, I think a lot of women are going to be none too grateful to the women’s movement for having encouraged them to put their careers or “just having fun” over having children and raising them. Feminism of the sort we’ve been seeing the last 50 years goes against nature, and lots of women are going to feel robbed when they reach menopause without having given birth.

And since women have tried to have it both ways, they may very well end up losing it all when the backlash comes. They will end up losing the kind of respect that made men give up their lives so that women could have seats on the lifeboats, and at the same time, they will lose the supposed “gains” that were made for them by the women’s movement.

“Joshua Coleman, a San Francisco-area psychologist and author of “The Lazy Husband: How to Get Men to Do More Parenting and Housework,” said equitable sharing of housework can lead to a happier marriage and more frequent sex.
“If a guy does housework, it looks to the woman like he really cares about her — he’s not treating her like a servant,” said Coleman”>

I’ll wager there’s a good chance his name was not Coleman until he aryanized it. Coleman or Cohen? Joshua sounds to me more like a Cohen.

# A Man Without a Woman Says:
13 March, 2008 at 4:15 pm

Are you that uneducated? What about Beethoven, Schubert, Brahms, a lot of mathematicians, and well, even Hitler (Eva Braun hardly qualifies as great woman behind him). Well the vanity of women like you, Stronza, doesn`t know bounds, does it?

Well we WERE having an adult level conversation. She’s right in principle; a good woman will enhance a man’s life, whether he’s working on A Great Creative Endeavor or just trying to figure out where his socks disappear to after doing laundry.

in reply to Hoosier:

They HAVE been robbed of something that is intangible, but manifests with irresistible force, and that is the chance to correctly do what they are uniquely positioned to do, and that is Motherhood with a Husband who loves them, and is crazy about the kids, as well.

As a Rule, the Cultural purpose of marriage is to provide a safe, positive environment in which to raise children. Girls get so see a Man as a positive force, as well as a Protector. Boys get to have the benchmark in which they will define themselves.

When those critically important component of spiritual development are missing, gaps are created in the Personae that need filling, and it will usually be by the Shadow of the positive force Men bring to Families.

Thus, Girls become Whores – there is a LOT of that going on lately – and Sons become trapped in either Negative Behavior – Loser Gangs, where they can have a Shadow Father in the Gang Leader, or, worse, common, degenerate homosexuality, as they literally do not have a positive model of Masculinity to rebel against.

Then again, remember this:

Both the Gir/Whore and Boy/Pseudohomosexual are reacting to the ABSENCE of a spiritual force in a materialistic manner; admittedly, this is the Extreme Shadow at work, leading to a meterialistic dead-end for the, their lives, and their society.

Which is what the demonic Goddamn Satanists known as JEWS wanted all along…

Have I mentioned tonight how much I hate these demons, these Goddamn JEWS, who walk the Earth in human bodies?

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Yes, NA. Of course kids will grow up screwed up – they need a Mom AND Dad, not Wimp-Dad and Career-Mommy.

I like this video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyZOEJjjul0

I don’t know what the rest of Kenny Chesney’s vids music is like, but this one shows how normal and happy life was – if you watch the old clips – and how good it could be again. Moms and Dads everywhere, spending time with their family.

Fast Forward to 2008:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBG-pul6gOw

Depression, cutting, pregnancy, suicide. Probably not too many stable households amongst this group.

That’s easy, NA, because they want the students to be easily herded sheep. Christ, when I was a kid, all we did was fight fight fight. Fighting and wrestling around, and playing sports any chance we got, all day, every day. If i was a kid today, they’d probably have me on ritalin or have given me a lobotomy. Back then I was considered normal, although on the “rowdy” side.

These guys have the right idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td3TF2HXA9E

“A Man without a woman” asks me (Stronza) if I am married and if I have realized the (heh heh) exalted kind of man & woman relationship I was describing as being ideal. A fine question, sir. Inasmuch as my husband is an Objectivist it causes me some grief that I am not able to help him change the world into the way he would like it to be, and he does try. But fair is fair, and he laughs at me for my racially realistic views. You would not believe the mirth in this household of ours. I try to “straighten him out” and he thinks I am just a silly pig-headed little woman.

Next paragraph! Regarding Beethoven. The whole purpose of music composition is to work out one’s deepest feelings & challenges. Some people do charitable work, some have a bunch of kids and treat them well or poorly, others (a very tiny number) compose. Bach’s musical greatness, I’d suggest, indicates a sane and uniquely intelligent man (for his time).

Beethoven’s music, while loved by many, is music of extremes. Some of his “greatest” works are full of turmoil, it is see-saw music, loud & thumpy, then soft/sad/sweet. “Rage over a Lost Penny” is of course not a major work, but a little cameo representing LvB’s anguish. They say he had lead poisoning from the wine, and it made him both crazy and deaf. I am not criticizing, I do like most of his music, but JSB it ain’t. You are right, Beethoven might have been happy in some meaning of that word. He did fulfill himself, if fulfillment is your definition.

3rd paragraph: I don’t necessarily see the French Revolution as the dividing point between ignorance and awareness of the demonic conspiracy that has overtaken the world. How about Martin Luther?

Hello, IBL: That is a conundrum. You are clever!

# Stronza Says:
17 March, 2008 at 8:02 pm

3rd paragraph: I don’t necessarily see the French Revolution as the dividing point between ignorance and awareness of the demonic conspiracy that has overtaken the world. How about Martin Luther?

Stronza, are you saying you think Martin Luther is the cause of our present situation?

OK. I interpreted it at first as the opposite of what you meant, and it seemed inconsistent with other things you’ve written.