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If Germany can be motivated to get off its knees after 61 years of slander and ignorance, then there is finally hope for white people and their future. Stalin rightly said , that whoever controls Berlin will control Germany and whoever controls Germany will control all of Europe. Let us build on the newly found good will that the German right has created towards a future without third world immigration and alien /chosen tribe havoc.

I can’t listen to this show. When I click the streaming link, I get a page that says invalid source.

Here are the numbers we discussed in the broadcast:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?s=1b3e44d8c32df5987b8ffd3b404ed0bd&t=38476

“Together with fellow party members, Marine created an organization known as “Le Pen Generations,” an intellectual group for political youth in which the hottest topic of debate is a new “governing culture.”

James Hawthorne — thanks for posting this point. This is what we need to do here in the United States. We need to focus on the younger generation of Whites who are simply bewildered and in desperate need for role models and leadership. To hell with the so called “Baby Boomers” and the so called “Greatest Generation” World War Two folks. They are the ones who dropped the ball and allowed our once great Republic to degenerate into this multiracial cesspool that we now find ourselves.. We need to focus on the youth — that will be our future, not the hordes of compromising older White folks who care only about their social security checks and don’t give a damn about their posterity.

Its called Landtag or Landesparlament of course. Sorry about that. It was pretty late for me that night so bear with me ;)

The broadcast is not without problems, yes I must train myself not to say \”uh\” so much and the IP connection betwee US and Germany was not good that night.

But, I am much pleased with the content on the broadcast. I think the lessons for American White Nationalists are clear and reinforced in this broadcast: 1) stay true to your core principles, 2) concentrate your efforts in a welcoming locality, 3) and plan for the long term.

I must also recognize Alex, I respect his opinions and insights.

Related forum thread: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=438697#post438697

I enjoyed the show, and thanks to Geoff for taking the time to do the interview. Alex raised several interesting points, all to further Americans’ and other Europeans’ understanding of nationalist approaches in Germany.

One thing I’d like to hear more on, see clarified is this idea of no one being allowed to live off unearned income. I can see real differences here. I don’t think the state, even if run by fellow ethnics, has any right to step in and seize money that was legally earned by a family. After all, a family that is living in accord with Aryan principles should be earning money above and beyond what is acquired for daily living. If the state is going to seize that money, then the people are essentially the slaves of the government, no matter if ruler and subject be of the same family.

That is no small point, that is a big point. If an Aryan man succeeds in building up a large store of capital, then that is his to dispose of as he chooses – as long as the laws are in place to see that he does not use that money to endanger the racial family that is the nation. The state seizing that money and using it for its own ends goes way beyond any racial politics I would support.

Note too the paradox that the state that would eliminate unearned income itself wholly exists on such. Whether it is jews using the power of the state to extract unearned income from the Aryan man to subsidize their brothers in Israel, or whether it is a fellow Aryan lecturing me on the need to pull the plow for Aryans, either way, I get to do the work while the political ruler uses my unearned income to do whatever he chooses with it. Of course, whatever he does with it he’ll claim is in the best interests of the race, but there is no way to guarantee that. Better to leave it to the man who earned it.

If the laws are in place to ensure that no one can amass money through illegal operations, then income from interest and investments is no less noble than money acquired from digging ditches or any other direct labor.

Simple fact is, a parasitic overclass is a parasitic overclass. The prevention of the private accumulation of capital is a way to keep the average Aryan powerless. But in fact what we want is a society in which as many Aryans as possible can accumulate large amounts of money and goods. These mean free time to develop arts and culture, the better to advance our race.

Aryans may need an all-powerful government to liberate our people from the jews and the coloreds they use to attack us, but once this liberation is achieved, political power should be decentralized. With guns and money available to all who need or work for them.

“I don’t think the state, even if run by fellow ethnics, has any right to step in and seize money that was legally earned by a family. After all, a family that is living in accord with Aryan principles should be earning money above and beyond what is acquired for daily living.”

Well stated Alex. I completely agree. This is why you and I are Americans in the true sense of the word. There are differences between Americans and Europeans in a political-economic sense and this is why we broke from our parent — British Empire — in the first place. Europe has always had a much more statist mentality than compared to the United States as envisioned by our Founding Fathers.

“A state that is of reasonable size and works to preserve the interests of the people has no need to fear them, thus will encourage gun ownership.”

Superb! Note that the British government disarmed it’s own citizens shortly after WW 1, as did other Europeans countries, long before USZOG came onto the scene. Again, this is the statist mentality that I speak about.

“Aryans may need an all-powerful government to liberate our people from the jews and the coloreds they use to attack us, but once this liberation is achieved, political power should be decentralized.”

Yes, sadly I agree with this too. Given our current plight, we will need to have a strong, all powerful government when the time for liberation comes. The big question will be wether we can restore Republican principles and limited government after our liberation. Unfortunately, we have no way of answering that question. One step at a time, I guess, is how we should take things. Thanks for the commentary, Alex.

One, a technical comment – we should ALL get USB headsets, so the microphone stays the same distance away. SKYPE even has recommendations. As well, when you are drinking it carries very clearly, and if you are opening cellophane for snack food, it carries very clearly. Professionals, like Peter Shank, don’t do that; amateurs, like Al Franken, do, and it shows.

Two, I agree with alex that the key to success if focused concentration.

Three, I agree with alex in his points concerning OUR nation, a true homeland for our race.

That having been said, I commend Alex Linder for allowing a large enough tent for all of us to be heard here, and for focusing VNN on activity – “boots or bullion,” in the words of Doc Schneider, and there is no good reason not to stuff some money, money order, or a check in an envelope and sending it to A. Linder at the address at the bottom of your screen.

Four, revising and extending Point Three, Covington’s “Northwest Trilogy” lays out an excellent model and philosophy for an NS society in the Northwest – his “Northwest Trilogy” is highly recommended for articulating many of the issues that MUST be addressed in the formation of such a society.

Five, you made an EXCELLENT point – “Many small and varied states coming together in an Aryan national defensive alliance probably fits White nature best.”

We can learn a lot from the excellent example of Brigham Young, and, yes, our RACIAL enemies, the JEWS.

Remember, the JEWS are ALWAYS united in the execution of their One Commandment : “Is It Good For JEWS?” Note the explicitly RACIAL focus in that question, as we would expect from the Asiatic Hive Mind Consciousness that is the JEW.

Ultimately, Our Race Is Our Nation.

For NOW, America is our country, but it is only our country because we made it so; when we leave, the Lights of Civilization go OUT, and savage darkness rules the Dark Kingdom.

The JEWS took this principle to heart, stole from the rest of the world, and created a small country with machine guns all over the place, and atomic weapons.

When we organized and focused our efforts, we did the impossible – sent men to the Moon, and brought them BACK!

The key is to FOCUS – “boots or bullion” is an EXCELLENT place to start.

New America

An Idea Whose Time Is HERE!

First and most importantly: to those that have not listened, 98% of the conversation was about electoral politics in Germany, perhaps the other 2% on economics. The stress on one controversial point often derails the comprehensive message of a show or essay.

With that said, let us not forget contemporary politics and the history Germany and Europe are different than that in the US, and the ideas of Alex are not universally accepted by all Germans. Let me also add that I have met some Germans that have openly scoffed at American ideas of “rugged individualism” and “free market economics,” they view these ideas as only fit for gullible Americans that watch too much TV. Now, of course, not all Germans I’ve met have made such comments.

I’ll let Alex from Germany explain his ideas, but as a participant in this discussion let me offer two points

1)
White Nationalists ought to reconsider incorporation. It seems to me having businesses owned by families – in our context Aryan families – are more desirable than corporate entities. Corporations are given rights as persons, but those persons that comprise the corporation are often held harmless when the business commits crimes. Our ancestors fought hard and repeatedly against the rise of corporations in the country in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The public at large despised corporations.

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I interpreted Alex’s remark on unearned income as a criticism of usury and international banking processes. In our country, we used to have laws that protected the population from debt enslavement, those laws were recently dismantled and the private debt of Americans has swelled, and so has the decadence of our people. There is no doubt in my mind the current levels of high debt in our society are linked to the system of interest.

The term “unearned income” is used in finance to denote money made from securities, true enough. However, the implication that such money is not earned, but is unearned, is there, and this concept is not logically necessary to economics. It originates from Marx’s distinction between wealth created from physical labor (“earned”) and wealth created not from physical labor (“unearned”). Marx tried to pass off this “factory workers, revolt!” propaganda as economics. And unintellectual or distracted financiers (especially those in government tax agencies) accepted his dubious usage unthinkingly.

For Marx, a man has a right to his own physical labor but he has no right to sell his physical labor (or time) on his own terms but only on the terms Marx considers “just” (else the man is “exploited”) – meaning of course that the man does not really have a right to his own physical labor at all but only a right to obey the Marxist state. Marx called this the Labor Theory of Value.

A free market among members of the same racial family is the way to go. The free market is not a universal (inter-racial) principle. What works for tigers does not work for mice. Because man has free will, he can choose to cavort with coons and thus use his capital destructively, and this must not be permitted, since the rest of us, or our posterity, are affected by it – but with this stipulation that it be among themselves, whites must have a free market as they must have free speech. Where would White independence be, without the right to trade guns among ourselves without restriction, for example?

Let’s all think OUTSIDE the jew frames (Marxism, Capitalism, etc.). Fuck Marx.

Geoff Beck: Fair enough. I’m completely open to an honest discussion on the issue. Let us keep in mind the prime objective: a racially aware White public. The political and economic stuff can be sorted out later.

“However, the implication that such money is not earned, but is unearned, is there, and this concept is not logically necessary to economics. It originates from Marx’s distinction between wealth created from physical labor (”earned”) and wealth created not from physical labor (”unearned”).”

Sgruber, well stated. That was the point I was making — its origins are Marxist and has been thoughtlessly adopted by those who are not. Nevertheless, words matter and its important to point these things out!

“Unfortunately for Americans, I think we are incapable of persistence and working for long term objectives. Witness this silly bickering about terms in this thread.”

Fitz, there is nothing “silly” about discussing this issue. Over 100 million people have been murdered by these ideas in the 20th Century alone! I think it is very important that we know who we are talking to. My “communist apparatchik” remark was not an ad hominem attack against Alex from Germany. You must keep in mind that there are unscrupulous and amoral people who will pass themselves off as one of us. When I hear certain Marxist catch phrases, my ears perk up. The point I’m trying to make is that Marxists are degenerates and character matters! Alex from Germany may not be a Marxist. Then again, maybe he’s sporting a hammer and sickle tattoo on his left bicep. Who knows? All I’m saying is that we need to be careful about these things and should always use words with precision. Clarity is damn important.

Ausgezeichnet, Alex from Germany & keep up the good work Geoff! (please work on the audio/microphone issues, we could hear Alex breathing. maybe do a test run for several minutes, record and playback to examine the quality?)

On the rest of the issues raised above, I still see that some of us still believe myths about NS germany and dictatorships in general. The most important being the misunderstanding of NS politics and economy. Please don’t let the spirit of “I don’t like anyone telling me what to do” lead you to build a house on a foundation of sand. Some people called the dislike of usury or other forms of exploitation “Marxist”. I would say a trend to say “fuck you, I’ll do what I want, even if it screws people over” is “Anarchist”.

The American model of how a society should be organized politically and economically has shown itself to be a failure. The German NS model showed itself to work both economically and socially. It was defeated by military force but was never defeated ideologically, politically or economically. It did not implode due to its own stupidity and subversion like the US and the UK are doing.

Let me give an example to make something very clear… there is nothing magical about “local authority” vs a “national authority”. The Founding Fathers said we ALL had a right to bear arms. This is universal or actually national (given the narrow confines of physical borders), and should be observed. But what has happened? The local authorities — read US states — can and do keep their inhabitants from carrying guns. It wasn’t the federal government that told them they had to, they decided and enacted these laws themselves. Now how the hell is that possible? We have a document — the Constitution — that is supposed to be a universal charter and agreement about basic rights for ALL people, yet the local authorities in your state or city can trump that. That is bullshit. The local authorities should be able to do whatever they on trivial legal matters that have not already been agreed to nationally in the form of a Constitution or other such charter.

The myths about NS policy regarding private ownership of guns has already been dispelled and one can even find proof that NS ecomomy was a free enterprise system on anti-Hitler channels like The History Channel. An example of the latter was the “F” companies competing for aircraft sales. Regarding gun control in the Third Reich, General Otto Ernst Remer explained in his noontidepress.com interview how everyone who had personal contact with Hitler was not searched for a gun and were even allowed to carry guns in a holster or even in hand when they met the leader as late as July, 1944. Do you think our AmeriKwan government can even compare with such a policy with its current overemphasis on “security”?

Anyway, where we all agree is that the kikes have to be beaten and we have to have our own whites-only nations again. Until that’s accomplished, all this discussion by people who aren’t real experts on the subject — including myself — about how society should be organized is just building castles in the sky as Dr Pierce used to say.

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I have spoken publicly at rally’s twice for the NSM. I would be honored if I could speak with you guys on Free Talk Live about the Jewish domination, the new Jew order and how we are not the hate. I may not be the best speaker but I would certainly love the chance to express my Aryan beliefs and how I am laid off. I look down the street and see a bunch of Mexicans doing the work that I’d be willing to do. And also, how the few control the many, how this country has turned into a communistic cesspool for the Jews and how it breaks my heart plus I am worried for my daughters future. It’s like this, a speeding train is coming for us and we are like deer staring at the headlight coming closer and closer towards our demise. The white race is becoming extinct, and extinction is forever.

Thank you,
Best regards,
Blue Collar