16 May, 2006

Special Broadcast: VNN interviews Bill White of the NSM

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The Truth is No Defense welcomes Bill White of the National Socialist Movement for a special 65 minute interview.

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    1. apollonian Says:

      Hey “Harry Tuttle”: Why Not “Put Up…”?
      (Apollonian, 20 May 06)

      “Harry,” I note Judicial-inc.biz perfectly reflects ur understandable suspicion about White of Bill-ness; unfortunately, Judicial-inc.biz also says similar things about G. L. Rockwell, which he doesn’t support really with any substantial citations or facts.

      Note “Harry,” how we traditionally hate the typical Jew tactics of smearing people, esp. patriots, by means of their “Jews-media” instrument repeating falsehoods nearly endlessly. Now then Harry, pls kindly supply ur premises for ur conclusion regarding White of Bill-ness. Remember, it’s only decent thing (supplying premises), not merely for White, but for us, the public who breathlessly await any facts pertaining to the matter–how have u achieved ur knowledge?–by logic or just a “gut” feeling? (If it’s merely by “gut” feeling, why should white people accept this?)

      Finally, regardless of “Harry Tuttle,” I do rather think it’s appropriate for White to state in most substantial terms what he’s really all about, ideals, principles, etc. For example, does White see the universe of reality as objective, in Aristotelian (and Christian) and traditional Western fashion?–or does he think human “free will” has ability to trump the determinist nature (as Jews insist)? Is history cyclic, hence conspiratorial? What does White think and say about my PLAN for removal of Federal Reserve Bank (Fed) counterfeiting fraud as primary political-military objective?–this within larger abstract cultural context of most poignant antisemitism, as by means of stripping away support for Jews by present “Judeo-Christians” (JCs–see Whtt.org).

      CONCLUSION: Here’s ur opportunity to “shine” Harry–note we white people and patriots will foster greatest confidence in us by volk by means of our trademark methods most consistent with our glorious culture of radiant reason, logic, and truth, utmost antisemitic values and virtues. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

    2. New America Says:

      Shmuley wrote:
      Tis stranger than fiction! Since when did Herr Linder and Mr. White kiss and make-up??

      in reply:
      NOBODY has played “kiss and make-up.’

      As adults, we now recognize the Comon Enemy is playing “Divide and Conquer” with us.

      We see the Common Enemy acts as One, along RACIAL lines, casually ignoring one another’s minor quarrels to unite against their RACIAL enemies.

      The problem is, historically, their RACIAL enemies have fought among each other, to the benefit of the Jew.

      We are putting aside such issues for the time being…

      Shmuley wrote:
      After the trashing of Linder by White several years ago, this is a most interesting development, to say the least! For a freshly transformed “National Socialist� decoy/provacateur, Mr. White seems to do rather well for himself in real estate and the investment world. He even has time and money to take ‘vacations’!

      in reply:
      Good.

      More power to him!

      Shmuley wrote:
      His specialty, unfortunately, is launching poison arrows at Mr. Duke and other genuine white nationalists, and giving us all a bad name with “Nazi� street theater!

      in reply:
      Judge the man by his deeds; he gets out there and faces the Jew, and their tools, head-on.

      That’s more – much more – than a mere handful of us can claim.

      Remember Lidner’s point – EXCELLENCE IS THE BEST REBELLION.

      When we do BETTER, than we have grounds to attack him as equals.

      Not until.

      Shmuley wrote:
      The big question is: who is paying his bills and which agency is he working for?? Inquiring minds want to know.

      in reply:
      He’s paying his own bills, and is working WITH the NSM.

      A pretty good example for all of us.

      In the meantime, we can all send them – Linder, Steele, the NSM – the financial support they need to carry the ball forward…

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    3. SMG3000 Says:

      Kevin Strom has made a lot of half-baked points here. I’m afraid action and reaction speaks louder than words, something “scholarly WN keyboard warriors” do not want to acknowledge.

    4. New America Says:

      Shmuley’s comments require a tad more analysis, and a bit more commentary…

      SHMUELY write:
      Tis stranger than fiction! Since when did Herr Linder and Mr. White kiss and make-up??

      in reply:
      ..I suspect something rather amazing is developing; the WN2/M is starting to grow up, and is growing beyond the need for ONE GREAT LEADER to be in control of all things, all of the time.

      I suspect our ancestors went with this model because it was the model that “worked” for WWII America, and the economic ordering of America prior to the OPEC Embargo of 73-74.

      Consider Pierce; many wanted him to pretty much do it all, and he was quite delighted that Robert Matthews assumed responsibilities above his station.

      Yet, Matthews did what few indeed had the courage to, and that is stand up against our enemies on their home ground.

      Pierce deeply mourned the death of Matthews, and probably wished he had been with him, to act as a steadying hand in difficult times.

      Eventually, Matthews was defined as One Man Against The System, and the System ground the Individual down.

      I think the death of Robert Matthews affected Pierce about as much as the realization of the magnitude of the Jewish assault on every organization he affiliated with did to Dr. Revilo Oliver.

      The lesson Pierce learned?

      When you actually stand up and speak the truth about our Enemy, they never sleep in their attempts to destroy you – one way or another.

      Even Peter Shank had hs brake lines cut, and was the victim of harassment concerning his pets – which had been of no concern to anyone, whatsoever, until he spoke the truth about the Deep War – and interviewed Bill White!

      We are becoming what we want the world to become, and the price for this is, for a Season, a sense of Aloneness; that is where the soul goes through what Isaiah referred to as the Refiner’s Fire.

      As we take responsibility, first in our own lives, we lead – by example – the world around us, and do not wait, like helpless children, for Daddy Rockwell, and Daddy Pierce, to return.

      Pierce was delighted the Matthews took responsibility; he would be equally delighted that Linder leads from the front, using the Internet when Pierce was pretty much limited to the radio…

      It takes a LOT of the burden from the shoulders of The Old Man!

      White and Linder have not “kiss(ed) and made up,” they simply recognize that there are enough opportunities for all of us out there…

      And, you can not help but realize that Piece would be proud to see some things come full circle; HE started with the NSM, you know…

      Pierce would be right out in the front lines with the NSM, today, with a slightly different uniform, perhaps, and Robert Matthews – an older, wiser, more mature Robert Matthews at his side…)

      Shmuley wrote:
      After the trashing of Linder by White several years ago, this is a most interesting development, to say the least! For a freshly transformed “National Socialist� decoy/provacateur,

      in reply:
      This is the section that deserved greater analysis.

      A wise man once told me, “Look to the first man that calls another an agent provacateur; ask yourself WHY he is starting the name-calling, and why HE is shifting attention to another?”

      Is this a case of what psychologists call “projection,” perhaps?

      Only a fool considers Bill White a “decoy”; say what you will, he wears the Stormtrooper uniform proudly, and defends National Socialist principles, intelligently – and he has done so at considerable personal cost to himself.

      When he was on Peter Shank’s program on RBN, White stopped RBN’s nominal rationalie, the Cult of the Constititution, in its tracks with an elegant criticism of the Constitutionalists, crafted in the analytical framework of a defense of National Socialism…

      While that was certainly a provocative moment for RBN – which led directly to Shank getting fired that night – it is something that White does with great ease, and hardly seems worthy of being the act of a “decoy.”

      Shmuley wrote:
      Mr. White seems to do rather well for himself in real estate and the investment world. He even has time and money to take ‘vacations’!

      in reply:
      Who could be opposed to someone who is financially successful?

      Is that the sound of jealousy I hear?

      “Mommy! Mommy! Bill White takes vacations! Waaahhhh!”

      My guess is, White’s “vacations” do not mean good news for our Enemies…

      But, you would have to see things from a more Adult perspective to appreciate that.

      Shmuley wrote:
      His specialty, unfortunately, is launching poison arrows at Mr. Duke and other genuine white nationalists,…

      in reply:
      Actually, his specialty is the work of OUR RACE as being done by the NSM.

      The problem with your analysis is that you lump White’s criticism of Dr. David Duke in with White’s criticism of “other genuine white nationalists.”

      I really do not care about Mr. White’s criticism of Dr. Duke; and, bluntly, White is well within his rights – and duties – to criticize MANY “other genuine white nationalists.”

      Remember something – Hal Turner, Bill White, and the NSM did more good for OUR RACE in ONE HOUR (in Kingston, New York), than ALL of the Patriotards, and all – I repeat, ALL! – of the “genuine white nationalists” have done in FIFTY DAMN YEARS.

      All LEGAL! ALL OF THE TIME!

      DAMN, isn’t THAT a refreshing idea?

      Linder had it right – EXCELLENCE IS THE BEST REBELLION.

      Shmuley wrote:
      …and giving us all a bad name…

      in reply:
      “…giving us all a bad name..”

      I think it’s time you stopped dropping acid before you start typing.

      In the eyes of the Propasphere, we could not have a worse name.

      In the eyes of the Propasphere, Jamal the Cop Killer has a better name than WE do!

      This is where Linder wins First Prize; one day, you realize that middle-class respectabilty is essentially a tool to keep you in line. When you ask “who defines the line, why do they define it where it is, and how do they enforce it,” you realize the Truth – the middle-class is essentially (1) trapped in the Propasphere (how many people do you know whose conversations begin with what was on tv last night?), (2) trapped in a declining standard of living (using debt as a proxy for declining real income, (3) on tranquilizers to a frightening degree – half of the adult population of America is on tranquilizers – HALF can not face the Truth about their lives without chemical buffers.

      Let me repeat: in the eyes of the inhabitants of the Propasphere, WE have a worse name than Jamal the Cop Killer!

      Why should we are what they think, as long as we can live and work together…

      We ARE supposed to be a Vanguard, after all…

      Shmuley wrote:
      …with “Naziâ€? street theater!

      in reply:
      It works, in that is crystallizes the racial battle in terms no one can misunderstand; no talk of a “New World Order,” no talk of “Merogivian blood lines,” no talk of “Communists.”

      No.

      It’s the White Men of the West, versus ANYONE that poses a threat to them, their FAMILY, their RACE, and their CULTURE.

      When you follow Peter Shank’s lead, and look behind the facade of the “New World Order,” you can see one common element – “THAT JEW” – then, you can play “Connect The Dots,” and, perhaps, one day, “Cowboys and Jews.”

      You can see the day:

      “Sir, bunch of guys outside outside in swastika armbands and black cowboy hats.”

      “Send them in.”

      “NSM Western Brigade Reporting for Duty, SIR!”

      Oh, to see the day….

      Shmuley wrote:
      The big question is: who is paying his bills and which agency is he working for?? Inquiring minds want to know.

      in reply:
      “Inquiring minds” should get a life; if “inquiring minds” can’t do as well as Bill White, and Mark Martin, and Jim Ramm, perhaps “inquiring minds” should shut the fuck up, and send some money to their betters – the NSM, Hal Turner, and VNN – people who succeed, where “inquiring minds” has failed.

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    5. Sehnsucht nach dem Reich Says:

      There is something wrong with Mr. White. Why would someone like neo-con scumbag David Horowitz interview Mr. White and praise him albeit in a qualified manner?
      http://english.pravda.ru/columnists/2002/02/16/26442.html

      Would Horowitz say about Alex Linder “I found myself agreeing more and more with many of his opinions”? I think not.

      The “Skunk” at judicial-inc.biz may be a bit hotheaded and his assertions are sometimes not more than innuendo, but often his intuitions are right and concerning Mr. White he raises valid questions. (Concerning Lincoln Rockwell his points are not so cogent btw).

      Supposing Mr. White is a pawn in the strange chess game the jews play, the question remains: What are the aims of the high cabal? I am not sure whether Mr. White´s organisation is supposed to estrange the white lemmings from white nationalism by using the media condioning the jews have bestowed on the symbols of the Third Reich. Maybe he is supposed to run a succesful organisation. The jews seem to want a race war, in which the whites get so outpoweded that they finally accept an open tyranny out of Jerusalem, perhaps even one with public child sacrifice. The jews imported the partisans for this civil war through mass immigration. The used media brainwashing und anti-education for preventing the natural reaction to this dark flood. But now the whites are too brainwashed to play their part in the bloody mess of a civil war. Is Mr. White supposed to stirr the lemmings up?
      AM don´t bann me, please!

    6. New America Says:

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich Says:
      The 21st of May, 2006 at 4:35 pm

      There is something wrong with Mr. White. Why would someone like neo-con scumbag David Horowitz interview Mr. White and praise him albeit in a qualified manner?
      http://english.pravda.ru/columnists/2002/02/16/26442.html

      Would Horowitz say about Alex Linder “I found myself agreeing more and more with many of his opinions�? I think not.

      in reply:
      Look at Jew Horowitz, and see where he came from; the Jewish-controlled extreme Left.

      Now, look at how totally the Jews who were formerly of the Left became “neoconservatives,” and control Right-wing political discourse in America.

      It’s a point that Linder made some time back; the Jews don’t take any point on an issue, they take ALL points of an issue, so they can control the outcome – the actions – in accordance with the Jew’s One Commandment – “Is it good for Jews?”

      In the words of Edgar Steele, available in mp3 form from his website, “Never trust a Jew; rarely will you be wrong.”

      We might expect Jew Horowitz to now appear as a legitimate commentator on White Nationalism in general, and the NSM in particular…

      A more incisive question might by, “Why now?”

      I think the Jews see SOMETHING developing on our side, that could well surprise them…

      The telling moment may well have been when RBN’s John Stadtmiller summarily fired Peter Shank following, curiously enough, Shank’s interview with Bill White.

      This told a LOT of the Patriots that the sources they have trusted for news and information about the Enemy were mere fronts for the Enemy; look behind the facades of our adversaries – Bolshevisk Communist, United Nations, Federal Reserve Bank, NAFTA, FTAA, Liberal Media Press, you name it – and you ALWAYS, in the shadows, you find the Jew.

      Hmmmmmm…..

      So, you grow up, and start looking at the Jews who control EACH and ALL of these organizations, and you play Connect The Dots – or, to make it easy, Connect The Jews.

      Remember what Linder said, and ask yourself why NOW, of all times, are Jews trying to take over American Renaissance, sending Taylor a letter that has never been released, where they “suggested” moderating future forums – no more Dr. David Duke, for example…

      Historically, a lot of white nationalist activity focused on the so-called “Civil Rights Movement.” Yet, the blacks were – and are – mere pawns for the Jews who controlled the “Civil Rights Movement.”

      Rare, indeeed, was the white nationalist who noticed this; when one finally noticed that Jews controlled the leading nationalist organization as well (ALL sides of an issue, remember?), the John Birch Society, he paid a horrific price, indeed. “He,” of course, was Dr. Revilo Oliver.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      The “Skunk� at judicial-inc.biz may be a bit hotheaded and his assertions are sometimes not more than innuendo, but often his intuitions are right and concerning Mr. White he raises valid questions. (Concerning Lincoln Rockwell his points are not so cogent btw).

      in reply:
      How wonderful that we have the NSM, and Alex Linder; having seen how their predecessors wasted their lives into impoteent exhaustion chasing the “Smoke and Mirrors” of the moment, THEY made up THEIR minds to always look for the Jew – LOOK for the Hidden Hand – and go right at them, with no apology asked, and no quarter given.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      Supposing Mr. White is a pawn in the strange chess game the jews play, the question remains: What are the aims of the high cabal?

      in reply:
      White is not a pawn; however, rather than seek out the Jews in the Shadows, listen to what Peter Shank actually has to say about them – using their own words, from their own Holy Book. His mp3’s are available for downloads on his website…

      Rather than chase our tails like silly puppies -an apt metaphor for the white nationalist “movement,” historically speaking – let’s not worry about the “high cabal.”

      Let’s focus on our RACIAL ENEMIES, and support those who support us, our FAMILIES, our RACE, and our VALUES.

      Sending money to VNN, Steele, the NSM, and Hal Turner will do a lot more good than chasing down “high cabals.” The American Free Press has been doing that for lo these many years, to no effect whatsoever; read their “reports” on Bilderberg conferences. Think the Bildergergers give a damn? Hell, you could broadcast their conferences live on C-SPAN, and it would not matter – they still get their way, at the end of the day.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      I am not sure whether Mr. White’s organisation is supposed to estrange the white lemmings from white nationalism by using the media conditioning the Jews have bestowed on the symbols of the Third Reich.

      in reply:
      The “white lemmings” are so estranged from white nationalism that it does not matter; they will find the fate of lemmings awaiting them, unless they Awaken to the preeminence of RACE and CULTURE in any society.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      Maybe he is supposed to run a successful organisation.

      in reply:
      Nice of them to allow that…

      Again, that limits the organization to the Cult of the Individual; take off the head, and the body dies.

      Read what Savitri Devi wrote about the relationship of the NSDAP in general, and Hitler in particular, to the Ideal of National Socialism.

      I don’t think the NSM will fall to the same error of many, all too many, “nationalistic” organizations.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      The jews seem to want a race war, in which the whites get so outpoweded that they finally accept an open tyranny out of Jerusalem, perhaps even one with public child sacrifice. The jews imported the partisans for this civil war through mass immigration. The used media brainwashing und anti-education for preventing the natural reaction to this dark flood.

      in reply:
      That is true.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      But now the whites are too brainwashed to play their part in the bloody mess of a civil war. Is Mr. White supposed to stirr the lemmings up?
      AM don´t bann me, please!

      in reply:
      This puts rather a lot on Mr. White’s shoulders!

      Don’t worry about it; such events tend to formulate along their own lines fairly quickly, and take surprising turns.

      Ask one question:

      WHY does Jew Horowitz NOW pay attention to the NSM?

      I have a simple, accurate answer for that.

      FEAR.

      Read “Mein Kampf,” and see how the Jews controlled EVERYTHING in Weimar Germany, and installed gun control laws to insure that rebellion never took place.

      The Jews controlled banking (same as here!), mass media (same as here), the legal system (same as here), and the legislature (same as here).

      Yet, when the people indentified the issues as the Jews did – SOLELY along RACIAL LINES – things changed very quickly….

      Especially for the Jews.

      One fascinating observating about the Twentieth Century; EVERY nation that had been conquered from outside returned to the control of the NATIVE PEOPLE who formed the nation…

      Take that observation, and extend it to Jewish control of America.

      I suspect that is why Jew Horowitz is trying to buddy up to Bill White.

      By the way, notice that Jew Horowitz never interviews Alex Linder, or Peter Shank…

      I suspect the Jews whom Jew Horowitz works with are DESPERATE to stop anything happening at the STREET level, the level where all of our safe, distant intellectual Realities work themselves out.

      You will notice, as well, that Kevin Alfred Strom was not interviewed by Horowitz; despite decades of “Movmement” activity, Strom seems not to matter at all.

      I suspect Jew Horowitz does not interview Linder or Shank out of fear, and Strom, out of soft, well-earned contempt.

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    7. Steve Johnson Says:

      When you get back, Bill, you might want to explain how you are able to run a business without jew interference.

    8. GB Says:

      Steve Johnson:

      In preparation for this interview I listened to a broadcast in which host VonBluvens and Bill White discussed in detail the problems White has had with the Roanoke Housing Authority. As I recall the local newspaper also was critical of White.
      Before posting this comment I looked for that interview link but was unable to locate it.

      http://www.nsm88radio.com/pastshows.html

      Perhaps someone with NSM can locate that show and post the link for you.

    9. Sehnsucht nach dem Reich Says:

      New America wrote:

      One fascinating observating about the Twentieth Century; EVERY nation that had been conquered from outside returned to the control of the NATIVE PEOPLE who formed the nation…

      That´s really funny. The way I read the history of the Twentieth Century you´re completely wrong. Most countries which have been conquered and have been occupied for long have in effect been conquered by the jews through their zombies (zog-slaves). And now the jews are still in charge, the death grip on the natives tighter than ever, so that the natives there live the life of guinea pigs. So it doesn´t matter, whether the fighing zombies (zog slaves) have returned to their former prison or not. In many cases they have not returned, in the case of Germany for example.

      New America wrote:

      Sending money to VNN, Steele, the NSM, and Hal Turner will do a lot more good than chasing down “high cabals.�

      I would never send money to Mr. Steele who permanently slanders Adolf Hilter and the Third Reich (out of a celtic inferiority complex, I suppose). For Mr. Steele things now emerge in America to a “Fourth Reich” (read his latest column). That´s more than stupidity. For Mr. Steele things began to go wrong in America with the assassination of Mr. Kennedy. That is more than stupidity. Mr. Steele elaborates in his book silly constitutions (one parlament for men, one for women. I hope his wife gave him an extra kiss for this “idea”) for the future and has no clue how to get there. Mr. Steele uses quite often the language of the enemy. A traitor of his people is for him a “Quisling” (read the biography of the real Quisling by Michael Walsh and contemplate the fate of “free” Norway today). Mr. Steele seems to enjoy the vicious pop culture of Hollywood. In a speech he used “Star Wars”-wisdom to encourage his listeners (remember the bad forces in this movies wore SS helmets). Though he has some merits compared to the avarage guy, for my gusto Mr. Steele is not a good money investment, and I would even prefer a investment in “peaking” silver. Sending the money to Mr. Linder instead is a good idea. He might not bring forth the needed revolution but he gives insights and amusement to the “happy few” of the guinea pigs in Zog-Land.

    10. Final Verdict Says:

      If NSM members must costume up, could they please discard the SA issues in favor of the much cooler SS uniforms instead?

    11. SHMUELY Says:

      Apparently a very raw nerve was struck in the psyche of ‘New America’ with my rhetorical questions about Mr. White. In playing the ‘Devil`s Advocate’ by posing these vital questions, the only one to rise to the bait was the long-winded, and off-the-wall deconstructionist just mentioned. Rethink your logic my friend, and don`t get your nuts in such a cluster, it will cripple your sense of reason.

      Cui Bono? Who really benefits from the street theater of these Hollywood “Nazis”?? The inner parties who are financing and/or directing them, perhaps? After 70 plus years of demonization and unending smear of everything remotely Hitlerian related, by the controlled Western media, what is the impact of the image expected to be? Exactly however the controlled media decides to project it, or use it, that`s how. The egotistical stormtrooper wanna-bees, (even if their uniforms may not be in perfect unison), have now given a free gift to their enemy Gods, who will bury them deeper with it.

      If we want to seriously play to the mentally narchoticized white American audience, we will have to do it in a language and manner which they can identify with; not one that they are conditioned to be repelled by. Politics is still the art of the possible, even if many of us wish it were otherwise.

    12. Steve Johnson Says:

      You raise a good point, Rabbi. The NSM has guts and a growing membership. If only they were doing something constructive…

    13. New America Says:

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich Says:
      The 22nd of May, 2006 at 9:11 am

      New America wrote:

      One fascinating observating about the Twentieth Century; EVERY nation that had been conquered from outside returned to the control of the NATIVE PEOPLE who formed the nation…

      Sehnsucht nach dem wrote:
      That´s really funny. The way I read the history of the Twentieth Century you´re completely wrong. Most countries which have been conquered and have been occupied for long have in effect been conquered by the jews through their zombies (zog-slaves). And now the jews are still in charge, the death grip on the natives tighter than ever, so that the natives there live the life of guinea pigs. So it doesn´t matter, whether the fighing zombies (zog slaves) have returned to their former prison or not. In many cases they have not returned, in the case of Germany for example.

      in reply:
      That is a good point; the physical conquest of one State by another can be overcome by the people of the State; that is to say, the nation of those who were the true owners of the country by virtue of blood and soil, can be transformed, by the Jewish parasite, into a host capable of supporting the Jewish Overclass.

      Thus, the German people, at least the masses that have been turned into “Europeans,” if you will (at the expense of the Spirit of Europa), are in fact treated as cattle for the use of their Overlords.

      Thus, Shank and Linder’s excellent point – that the Deep War is fought at the level of Culture, and as long as the Jews control the Propashere, and the public educational system, we will fight as a Remnant, for a Season.

      New America wrote:
      Sending money to VNN, Steele, the NSM, and Hal Turner will do a lot more good than chasing down “high cabals.�

      Sehnsucht nach dem wrote:
      I would never send money to Mr. Steele who permanently slanders Adolf Hilter and the Third Reich (out of a celtic inferiority complex, I suppose). For Mr. Steele things now emerge in America to a “Fourth Reich� (read his latest column). That´s more than stupidity. For Mr. Steele things began to go wrong in America with the assassination of Mr. Kennedy. That is more than stupidity. Mr. Steele elaborates in his book silly constitutions (one parlament for men, one for women. I hope his wife gave him an extra kiss for this “idea�) for the future and has no clue how to get there.

      in reply:
      One, Steele can speak of Hitler however he wants, to his heart’s content; if we all have to walk in lockstep on ANY issue other than RACIAL SURVIVAL, with a wide range of analysis and commentary allowed around that overarching theme, then we are doomed.

      I also suspect Steele saw, first hand, wth the way Pastor Butler was treated, just how much support there is in most of America for ANY positive mention of the NSDAP in any way, shape, or form.

      Two, Steele puts out some ideas, not as Laws on Tablets, but as ideas for discussion, where we ARE forced to take responsibility to make things happen; “Defensive Racism” is a thought piece, as well as a Call to Arms.

      Incidentally, Harold Covington has done some thinking on the idea of a Constitution for Our New Republic…

      Above all, if you want an act of futility, chasing down “high cabals” is right up there with snipe hunting!

      Sehnsucht nach dem wrote:
      Mr. Steele uses quite often the language of the enemy. A traitor of his people is for him a “Quisling� (read the biography of the real Quisling by Michael Walsh and contemplate the fate of “free� Norway today).

      in reply:
      This is his choice, which reflects the time and place of his growth.

      Did you know that Quisling’s wife has a small altar in her house? In the center was a candle, and equally spaced on the sides of the candle were pictures of her husband, and Hitler?

      Again, we don’t have to speak as one on every aspect of the RACIAL issue…

      We damn well have to start ACTING, and supporting those who are leading the fight for US.

      Sehnsucht nach dem wrote:
      Mr. Steele seems to enjoy the vicious pop culture of Hollywood. In a speech he used “Star Wars�-wisdom to encourage his listeners (remember the bad forces in this movies wore SS helmets).

      in reply:
      This is a pretty trivial issue…

      Sehnsucht nach dem wrote:
      Though he has some merits compared to the avarage guy, for my gusto Mr. Steele is not a good money investment, and I would even prefer a investment in “peaking� silver.

      in reply:
      We have to start acting like adults; we have to make our own choices, and be responsible for our own actions…

      Nobody is coming to save us from ourselves.

      This is our great blessing; either we develop the skills that have lain dormant in our soul, or we die – the choice is THAT simple, and THAT stark.

      Sehnsucht nach dem wrote:
      Sending the money to Mr. Linder instead is a good idea. He might not bring forth the needed revolution but he gives insights and amusement to the “happy few� of the guinea pigs in Zog-Land.

      in reply:
      OK!

      Don’t send money to Steele!

      Send it to Linder/VNN, Turner, the NSM, ANYBODY that is actively fighting for FAMILY, RACE and CULTURE.

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    14. New America Says:

      SHMUELY wrote:
      Apparently a very raw nerve was struck in the psyche of ‘New America’ with my rhetorical questions about Mr. White. In playing the ‘Devil`s Advocate’ by posing these vital questions, the only one to rise to the bait was the long-winded, and off-the-wall deconstructionist just mentioned. Rethink your logic my friend, and don`t get your nuts in such a cluster, it will cripple your sense of reason.

      in reply:
      Boy, that’s a really slick way to avoid discussing the issues; might we surmise that your unwillingness to discuss the issues is a direct product of the lack of intellectual integrity of your “analysis?”

      Shmuley wrote:
      Cui Bono? Who really benefits from the street theater of these Hollywood “Nazis�??

      in reply:
      Ultimately, we will; remember, the NSM and Hal Turner, ALONE, did more good for our RACE in one hour (in Kingston, New York), than all of the “conservatives” and “moderates” have done in FIFTY YEARS.

      THEY actually forced change; that’s more than their detractors can say.

      Shmuley wrote:
      The inner parties who are financing and/or directing them, perhaps?

      in reply:
      By “inner parties” we will assume you mean (1) Jews, and (2) Jew-controlled organizations.

      With not one iota of evidence to support this truly delusional hypothesis, only a fool can believe that the ONE group that actually has the unquestioned courage to wear a swastika armband in public, and organize for OUR RACE, without fear, in the face of the absolute animosity of the Propasphere addicts, is in any way, shape or form under the control, or even the influence, of the “inner parties.”

      Is there any difference between “inner parties” and “Jews?”

      Why don’t you speak openly and honestly, like Linder, like Shank, like Pierce, like Rockwell, like the NSM?

      Why do you dance around the cold truth?

      What are you afraid of?

      Shmuley wrote:
      After 70 plus years of demonization and unending smear of everything remotely Hitlerian related, by the controlled Western media, what is the impact of the image expected to be? Exactly however the controlled media decides to project it, or use it, that`s how.

      in reply:
      The Internet is allowing us to go around the Propasphere, and those who are ready for the truth can find it on shankradio, VNN, and many other websites…

      After all, a Vanguard – particularly a National Vanguard – self-selects on the basis of FAMILY, RACE and VALUES – the RIGHT FAMILY, the RIGHT RACE, and the RIGHT VALUES.

      Shmuley wrote:
      The egotistical stormtrooper wanna-bees, (even if their uniforms may not be in perfect unison), have now given a free gift to their enemy Gods, who will bury them deeper with it.

      in reply:
      I suspect OUR Gods will honor the Stormtroopers for their sheer, raw courage; say what you will, THAT can not be taken from them.

      And, the so-called “wannabees” may well exceed all expectations, given the leadership of Mark Martin, and the financial support of you, and I, and many like us who benefit from their courageous efforts.

      Let’s give credit where credit is due; the Stormtroopers have improved dramatically since Toledo, and if they keep on this path of excellence, and follow Martin and Ramm’s excellent examples, may well be leading torchlight parades.

      Won’t THAT be a sight to remember?

      Won’t that shame the rest of us?

      I will speculate that if Dr. Revilo Oliver, as a young man, knew what he knew about the Jew, as an old man, he would have joined the NSDAP, AND have been a Stormtrooper, and have been right at home, ideologically speaking. He would then have led the American SS…

      You can hear him now: “Trust me, guys, I KNOW what I am doing, and WHY!”

      Shmuely wrote:
      If we want to seriously play to the mentally narchoticized white American audience, we will have to do it in a language and manner which they can identify with; not one that they are conditioned to be repelled by.

      in reply:
      The collapse of the blue-collar economy, and the transfer of America’s manufacturing economy to Shanghai, are creating a lot of people whose only outlets for the betrayal of their dreams are alcohol, and the narcotic of televsion.

      They have fallen prey to the inchoate ramblings of the Patriotards, and blame the latest smoke and mirrors facade before them; they are so disheartened at fighting illusions, and their anger turns inward, in depression, in feelings of personal failure.

      To his enormous credit, Linder says, “There is a common force that is behind all of this; it is the Jew, acting RACIALLY, in his RACE’S best interests.”

      The NSM says the same thing, and, unlike every other “patriotic” organization, actually has a PLAN for what they would do after the Jew has been removed as a power in Western Civilization.

      Arnold Kontiel’s excellent book, “America – Wake Up!,” also has a Plan that the NSM, and all of us, could well accept and make a reality – OUR Reality, for OUR Family, OUR Race, and OUR Culture.

      The NSM, Turner, Linder, and Peter Shank ALL agree on the real issue at the Core of all of our concerns: The Jew has triumphed – for a Season – at OUR expense, and has used OUR power, OUR creative gifts, against us; the Jew has no more power than that which we have allowed them, and it is OUR responsibility to our FAMILY, our RACE, and our CULTURE, to take our power back and develop the Society that was, and will be again, the Light on the Hill to all of the world.

      Shmuely wrote:
      Politics is still the art of the possible, even if many of us wish it were otherwise.

      in reply:
      Yet, Linder, Turner, Shank, and the NSM, are actively working to make the BEST possible future for us, our of ALL possible futures.

      This requires boots, or bullion; feet in the street, or cash in the hand.

      We can not be passive victims, much as our RACIAL enemies would like us to be; we MUST do SOMETHING, to make the best POSSIBLE outcome, the ONLY possible outcome.

      How’s this?

      Why not send the money you spend at work for snacks and coffee, for a month, to Turner, or VNN, or the NSM, or Edgar Steele?

      Or, are you saying that Our Cause is worth so little that it is… worthless?

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    15. Biff Baxter Says:

      Notice how “New Nation News” and Bill White both seem to have references from David Horowitz, who normally will not even admit to the existence of white nationalism anywhere else on the net? Jews giving jews references. Bet you the SPLC is involved somewhere in there.

    16. New America Says:

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      Notice how “New Nation News� and Bill White both seem to have references from David Horowitz, who normally will not even admit to the existence of white nationalism anywhere else on the net? Jews giving jews references. Bet you the SPLC is involved somewhere in there.

      in reply:
      The Jew is parasitic; the only power it has is the power we give it.

      By operating virtually exclusively at a RACIAL level, while explicitly denying this source of power to its only opponent on the Earth – US! – the Jew has all of the advantage of collective force, while we do not have hardly any organization whatsoever solely along RACIAL lines.

      White is quoted simply because he is eminently quotable – listen to him on Peter Shank’s show when he demolished the intellectual foundation of the Republic Broadcasting Network with a two minute critique of the Cult of Constitutionalism.

      White rushes to the sound of the cannons, and, listen to the press conference prior to the NSM meeting in Lansing, simply gives no quarter to our opponents, naming the Jew accurately, and routinely.

      White does something that Linder, Shank, and Steele do that separates them from our forbearers – with the exceptions of Pierce and Rockwell.

      White addresses the Jew as a conscious entity that acts at the RACIAL level, first, foremost, forever.

      This makes him quotable, but a LOT of what he says never makes the Jew-controlled Propasphere Press.

      Horowitz is only bringing them about because the Jews are truly afraid of a developing RACIAL Awareness on our side, where the Awakening gels into a RACIAL organization.

      And, if members of a part of that organization wear a swastika armband, as Mark Martin astutely noted, the Jews just go into uncontrollable rage; it seems they are aware they are in the presence of a representative of the ONE organization in the Twentieth Century that figured out (1) who they were – an Asiatic RACIAL Consciousness, (2) what they wewre up to – the total destruction of Western Civilization from within by means of deception in transforming the society, a process they call tikkun olam, and (3) what to do about them – isolate them, and build a much better world without the drain on time and energy the parasite demands.

      I can easily see Jews financing a wide range of false flags; the FACT that they have tried to control American Renaissance, with a letter that Jared Taylor STILL does not disclose, is all you need to know…

      The NSM simply can not be a Jewish-controlled false flag, and anyone that says so is welcome to provide the most remote scintilla of evidence in support of that.

      They can’t.

      Now, AmRen – now, THAT looks like another story.

      AmRen, but not the NSM.

      Judge them by their deeds; they, alone, faced the Enemy’s attack animals on the Enemy’s home turf, and forced a change in the Enemy’s behavior.

      That’s more than ALL of the “Conservative” and Patriotard organizations have done if FIFTY YEARS.

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    17. Biff Baxter Says:

      Anybody who accepts jewish false fronts into the political mix of white nationalism will be destroyed. Period. That’s why the jews found these phoney flag operations to begin with. To portray them as ridiculous and smear them with guilt by association. Clown parades of comical fools in Nazi outfits is what they want and they pay Bill White good money to get it.

    18. Biff Baxter Says:

      “New America” speaks in a solipsist, roundabout and wandering fashion with endless digression onto apparently unrelated topics and straw men. Ask yourself if this lad might not be a fellow traveller of Bill White called to the forum to create the impression of a broad base of support for Bill’s comical costumed clown circus.

      Alex Linder does well to keep good relations with Turner, Strom and even Duke. Having Bill White on the show was a really big mistake considering White got free license to do the classic jewish waffle and sidestep when asked a direct question. White was wandering all over the board when asked a yes-no question. Aryan Indo-Europeans perform decision making by binary trees which are far superior to the gray fuzzy uncommitted “logic” of the jews, which White made ample display of during the “interview.”

    19. Carpenter Says:

      And, if members of a part of that organization wear a swastika armband, as Mark Martin astutely noted, the Jews just go into uncontrollable rage;

      We have all heard it, it’s from an essay written by George Lincoln Rockwell. He says using the swastika will make the Jews go nuts so that people will see them for the beasts they really are.

      Problem is – that never happens.

      Have you ever seen a Jew go into an “uncontrollable rage” over the swastika? Don’t just say they do, provide an example. This theory even says it would happen every time. Just provide a single example.

      To the contrary, the Jews denounce the swastika with serious looks in their faces, evoking the Holocaust(tm), as they now have such a perfect opportunity. The audience will listen and believe them. The swastika works on the public too, you see – it works to the Jew’s benefit, showing how those awful Nazis are still worshiping imagery from 70 years ago, and dreaming of horrible gas chambers. That’s what the audience sees. You have a message? They’ll assume you’ll say whatever lies you think are necessary, but in the end it’s all about gassing Jews because you’re an obsessive and evil bastard.

      Boy, do the Jews love it when a nationalist uses the swastika! Instant confirmation of everything he says about us. Boy, do the Jews love fat men in fake Nazi garb!

      (Btw: only a fool would wear a uniform from an organization he has never belonged to – the SA, say.)

    20. New America Says:

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      Anybody who accepts jewish false fronts into the political mix of white nationalism will be destroyed. Period.

      in reply:
      Yes. Dr. Revilo Oliver spoke movingly on just that issue; a gentleman, he did not burden us with the tremensdous personal price he paid personally, and professionally.

      For that manner, anyone who goes under the Jewish yoke will be allowed to survive on terms that suit the Jews…

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      That’s why the jews found these phoney flag operations to begin with. To portray them as ridiculous and smear them with guilt by association.

      in reply:
      You speak of “phoney false flag operations.”

      Would National Vanguard qualify?

      After all, they can accept PayPal; just TRY to get PayPal approval for VNN, or Hal Turner.

      Why do you suppose that is?

      And, remember, there is NOTHING “phoney” about the ACTIONS of the NSM; no “false flag,” they; the members of the NSM actually stand up for our RACE.

      Look to their actions, and see if they match their words; they are out front, and the true deep RACIAL hatred the Jews feel when they see MEN stand up, FOR our RACE, and AGAINST our RACIAL ENEMIES, is an actual living Force. They react to the swastika armband like a cockraock to a searchlight; the mesage is, “You can’t hide from us, and you can’t bullshit us. We know WHO you are, and WHAT you are, and we know WHAT to DO, about YOU.”

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      Clown parades of comical fools in Nazi outfits is what they want and they pay Bill White good money to get it.

      in reply:
      I said it before, and I’ll say it again; actions speak louder than words.

      “Clown parades of comical fools in Nazi outfits” is pretty much the description of the NSDAP in the late Twenties.

      Things changed rather quickly – as they have a tendency to do in extraordinary situations – and they had new, matching, impressive uniforms… particularly the SS.

      The “parades” were not of “clowns,” and NOBDY called them “comical fools” more than once…

      The tests of an organization are how well it fulfills its goals, and the caliber of person it attracts.

      I don’t think men like Mark Martin and Jim Ramm – men of the first water – are attracted by false flags.

      More on this issue in a moment.

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      “New America� speaks in a solipsist, roundabout and wandering fashion with endless digression onto apparently unrelated topics and straw men. Ask yourself if this lad might not be a fellow traveller of Bill White called to the forum to create the impression of a broad base of support for Bill’s comical costumed clown circus.

      in reply:
      If you would strip your trivial use of alliteration to mask the absence of substance in your remarks, you have given us two propositions:

      1. I am a fellow traveler of Bill White.

      2. I am being used “to create the impression of a broad base of support for” the NSM.

      In reply:

      1. This is a trivial, grautitous, ad hominem attack, utterly unsupported by any rational analysis.

      2. No. The NSM does not need anyone “to create the impression of a broad base of support for” the NSM.

      The NSM needs the Reality – not an “impression,” but a Reality – of a broad base of support coming from deeply, tragically disillusioned working class White Americans.

      If the NSM would begin to become what they want the world to become – uniform uniforms, for example, following the models of the Scandinavian nationalists would be an excellent start – they would find a wealth of ideas for expression in terms of the larger political struggle in the ways the NSDAP dealt with the economic, political and cultural problems of their time. “Mein Kampf” has a lot of usable wisdom on these issues.

      In the meantime, a good summary of those excellent ideas in a contemporary model would be “America – Wake UP!” by Arnold Kontiel.

      We’ll put the formulations and books of Harold Covington aside, for the while…

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      Alex Linder does well to keep good relations with Turner, Strom and even Duke.

      in reply:
      And they would do equally well to keep good relations with Turner, as well as Peter Shank, the only really skillful radio interviewer on our side, and the only radio person to address issues in terms of the Deep War we face from our RACIAL ENEMIES, using the analytical matrix of FAMILY, RACE and CULTURE.

      To correct a misunderstanding you seem to be labor under – one of several, I might add – I don’t think Mr. and Mrs. Strom are particularly high on Linder’s list of the “Friends of Alex.”

      Not at all…

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      Having Bill White on the show was a really big mistake considering White got free license to do the classic jewish waffle and sidestep when asked a direct question. White was wandering all over the board when asked a yes-no question.

      in reply:
      No, listen closely; any hesitation you may have heard was more likely the result of being hit with an off-the-wall question, rather than cowardly evasion.

      You don’t expect to be sucker-punched by Geoff Beck in an interview, but, in the interests of honest reporting, the question was asked, and answered.

      I suspect that White’s character has been attacked so often on this, Beck had to raise the issue; White addressed it, “asked and answered,” and away we go.

      No supporters of the New Orleans Protocol over here!

      ;)

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      Aryan Indo-Europeans perform decision making by binary trees which are far superior to the gray fuzzy uncommitted “logic� of the jews, which White made ample display of during the “interview.�

      in reply:
      “…decision making by binary trees” assumes you are seeing the forest clearly, the trees honestly, and you are applying your analytical paradigm accurately. White speaks clearly, openly, and honestly – listen to his interview with Peter Shank – the one that immediately cost Peter his job at RBN – and see how clearly and concisely White attacked and destroyed, the intellectual foundation of RBN, the Cult of the Constitution.

      Earlier I said I would speak to the issue of the caliber of men the NSM attracts – men like Jim Ramm, and Mark Martin, and many others.

      There is an issue here that only Hal Turner, Peter Shank, Alex Linder and the NSM seems remotely aware; how alienated from your dreamns, your ideals, and your values, must your country be for YOU to put on a brownshirt, and a red swastika armband – to PROUDLY put on a brownshirt, and a red swastika armband?

      How many times must you have been lied to over, and over, and over – get THIS certificate, THIS diploma, THIS degree, jump through THIS hoop and THAT hoop, all of the indicia nominally required for the foundation of a middle-class lifestyle – only to have it all disappear, slowly, with the calm certainty of the tide going out?

      How many times must you have been blamed by those around you – “Why can’t you get a good job at the foundry, office, factory, whatever?” – and to have accepted that falsely formed blame, and turned your anger at the perceived helplessness of your situation inward, in the form of depression…

      What must it take for you to realize that ALL of America’s problems have a common foundation, and ONLY a direct assault on the COMMON foundation will actually solve EVERYONE’S problems?

      How must you feel when you realize that you have been set up by two generations raised from birth to be controlled by the Jew Tube, and Jewish control of the Propasphere, where you feel that you must, somehow, magically, live the lifestyle of an upper-middle class American family?

      And then, you realize the very foundation of that lifestyle, that upper middle class lifestyle, has been stolen from you; first, you accept the Enemy’s definition of material happiness, and material success, and then, the Enemy slowly removes the invisible foundation of that system…

      Unskilled blue collar jobs?

      Gone forever – to the Illegals, at that.

      Skilled blue collar jobs?

      Loans for immigrants to buy the business, and Affirmative Action to assure the unskilled get the contract, and some extra money to cover “training costs.” In the meantime, the manufacturing base that supported the skilled blue-collar jobs – skilled welder, skilled machinists, skilled tool-and-die – all go to Shanghai, never to return.

      And our skills base declines.

      Did you know General Motors is the biggest car manufacturer in China?

      Did you know China gets to export cars duty-free to America starting this
      year?

      Well, there goes an industry, and a skills base, that took decades to develop; like the Old South, “Gone With The Wind.”

      Back-Office White Collar Jobs?

      Digitized, and sent to Bangalore at the speed of light; while there, they are financing the creation of your competitors – they will become beter at doing the job, and we will lose the skills base that made it possible.

      Five years ago, if you had told me that people otherwise worthy of respect would actually JOIN the NSM, and actually WEAR the brownshirt and red swastika armband, I would have said you were mad.

      However, as Alex Linder noted, things can change VERY QUICKLY in politics…

      The Way of Life we were promised is “Gone With The Wind.”

      Let’s not blame ourselves for that.

      Let’s recognize that the foundation of true Power is Reposnsibility; the responsibility to see things accurately, and the greater responsibility to DO SOMETHING about it.

      THAT is where the NSM’s Mark Martin, and Jim Ramm, are succeeding; the dreams and promises of their youth are “Gone With The Wind.”

      The Whirlwind IS Coming, however; it just might be powered along by people who are not afraid to wear a brown shirt, and a red swastika armband, and their supporters, who would wear the uniform of the Scandinavian nationalists, and yet more of their supporters, who would be weearing business suits.

      As Alex Linder so astutely noted, “In politics, things can change very quickly.”

      With books like Kontiel’s “America -Wake Up!” as a source of ideas, and people like Martin and Ramm joining the NSM, who knows what the NEXT five years will bring?

      Oh, and as Ramm noted, “The suit and tie units (National Vanguard, the old National Alliance) are dying out; the NSM is not going, we’re GROWING.”

      Let us end on the words of Creedence Clearwater Revival:

      “I see – the bad – moon – a’rising…

      I see – trouble – on the way…”

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    21. New America Says:

      Carpenter wrote:
      And, if members of a part of that organization wear a swastika armband, as Mark Martin astutely noted, the Jews just go into uncontrollable rage;

      We have all heard it, it’s from an essay written by George Lincoln Rockwell. He says using the swastika will make the Jews go nuts so that people will see them for the beasts they really are.

      Problem is – that never happens.

      Have you ever seen a Jew go into an “uncontrollable rage� over the swastika? Don’t just say they do, provide an example. This theory even says it would happen every time. Just provide a single example.

      in reply:
      I am not concerned with the effect Rockwell believed would occur; I have seen Jewish coworkers just go crazy at the most remote suggestion that ANYTHING having to do with NSDAP Germany was of ANY value whatsoever.

      They will literally stop whatever it is they are doing, and go over and try to find out what is going on, and to discredit any ideas that the NSDAP was anything other than demons with cloven hooves.

      They, after all, KNOW how to act RACIALLY.

      It seems to work rather well…

      It’s an idea we should adopt…

      Carpenter wrote:
      To the contrary, the Jews denounce the swastika with serious looks in their faces, evoking the Holocaust(tm), as they now have such a perfect opportunity. The audience will listen and believe them. The swastika works on the public too, you see – it works to the Jew’s benefit, showing how those awful Nazis are still worshiping imagery from 70 years ago, and dreaming of horrible gas chambers. That’s what the audience sees. You have a message? They’ll assume you’ll say whatever lies you think are necessary, but in the end it’s all about gassing Jews because you’re an obsessive and evil bastard.

      in reply:
      And once the myth – the hoax – of the Holocaust is exposed, people lose all feelings of sympathy for the Jews, and the Jews lose all claims to moral superiority.

      As one guy I worked with said, “If they are lying about that, what ELSE are they lying about?”

      Then, give him the mp3 of Edgar Steele’s “Never Trust A Jew; Rarely Will You Be Wrong.”

      He might not be a convert, but he has shifted to indifference towards us, and distrust, towards the Jew.

      A step at a time…

      Carpenter wrote:
      Boy, do the Jews love it when a nationalist uses the swastika! Instant confirmation of everything he says about us. Boy, do the Jews love fat men in fake Nazi garb!

      in reply:
      Fat men in short ties that do not cover beer bellies, ununiforms uniforms, faggy berets, faggy high school marching band hats, and irregular headgear from a science fiction convention, all speak of the adoption of the Form of the past, without the Substance that gave it value.

      I think this has become so obvious – the tremendous, valiant efforts of Mark Martin aside – that the NSM will begin to look at the many uniforms worn by the fighters of the NSDAP, and will pay particular attention to the uniforms of the Scandinavian nationalists.

      Black pants, uniform khaki shirt, black trooper cap, black tie that reaches to the belt buckle, black military boots – these are a solid foundation FOR THE STORMTROOPERS that the red swastika armband complements.

      The collar patches could well be replaced with small, dignified pins; all of this can be done for less than a hundred dollars.

      And, if they don’t want to look professional, then the Stormtroopers aren’t where they belong…

      Carpenter wrote:
      (Btw: only a fool would wear a uniform from an organization he has never belonged to – the SA, say.)

      in reply:
      Adopting the uniform of the SA was a tool Rockwell used, and certainly did not want to retain forever…

      The Scandinavian nationalist’s model for uniforms works, as do other, more appropriate models.

      Blindly adopting the Form of the SA, without the Substance of Twenty-First Century America, means using the training wheels of an organization that went on to develop and use locomotives…

      YET, IN SPITE OF SAROTRIAL SHORTCOMINGS, the NSM IS the only White Nationalist organiztion that is actually ATTRACTING members…

      What they could achieve if they adopted the Scandinavian nationalist model of uniform FOR THE STORMTROOPERS, and a uniform “look” that derives from that model, might well amaze us all…

      And, remember this:

      ALONE, the NSM and Hal Turner did more good for our RACE in ONE HOUR than ALL of the “suit and tie crews” did in FIFTY YEARS…

      And, if they continue to attract men of the caliber of Jim Ramm, Mark Martin, they are just getting started…

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    22. Carpenter Says:

      Holy typing, New America! Do you really need that massive mass of text? You could write the geist of your message in just two paragraphs. Do you want people to read it or not?

      YET, IN SPITE OF SAROTRIAL SHORTCOMINGS, the NSM IS the only White Nationalist organiztion that is actually ATTRACTING members…

      Means absolutely nothing, when it’s in such a minuscule format. It’s like proclaiming “We have doubled our wealth!” when you have two dollars instead of one. Besides, how do you know no other organization is attracting members? It’s a big country. There are probably people out there you haven’t even heard of, who don’t bother much with the internet.

    23. New America Says:

      Carpenter Says:
      Holy typing, New America! Do you really need that massive mass of text? You could write the geist of your message in just two paragraphs. Do you want people to read it or not?

      in reply:
      It’s not enough to state your position,; you need to define the context where your position dervies from.

      Carpenter wrote:
      YET, IN SPITE OF SAROTRIAL SHORTCOMINGS, the NSM IS the only White Nationalist organiztion that is actually ATTRACTING members…

      Means absolutely nothing, when it’s in such a minuscule format. It’s like proclaiming “We have doubled our wealth!� when you have two dollars instead of one. Besides, how do you know no other organization is attracting members? It’s a big country. There are probably people out there you haven’t even heard of, who don’t bother much with the internet.

      in reply:
      It DOES mean something; imagine how many of your illusions, in the service of the Jew and the Propasphere, are shattered adn how far you have to go to consider joining the NSM, much less the Stormtroopers.

      By the way:

      One, Bill White describes the situation he faced with housing in Roanoke on the 10 aug 05 show, available from nsm88radio.com, and…

      Two, the issue of the NSM being a front for Jews were addressed at 28 minutes in the interivew with Geoff Beck.

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    24. SHMUELY Says:

      ‘New America’ is either a naive, unseasoned optimist, with a lot to learn about Anglo-Americans, (a ‘creedal’ people pugnaciously ‘proud’ of their ignorance), or a pawn of his ‘Great White Hope’, Mr. White.

      I would humbly suggest that he get dressed up in his NSKK looking Stormtrooper uniform, and head for Roanoke to lead the charge! When Mr. White and ‘New America’ take Roanoke by storm, or better yet, White is elected Mayor of the city, we`ll know that white Americans had a gigantic change of heart, and mind. Good luck.

    25. apollonian Says:

      Swastika Is Most Excellent Symbol, Among Others Too
      (Apollonian, 24 May 06)

      By gad, there’s “Carpenter” again complaining about style not substance. Swastika isn’t bad, and there’s strong place for it, but overall we could well place the Christian Cross–to encourage other gentiles in antisemitism, of course.

      Within broad antisemitic, anti-imperialist democratic front we have those who follow the swastika and serve the volk. Within this democratic front we have an agreement like original Articles Of Confederation which, don’t forget, actually won a tremendous and famous victory, eh?

      Holohoax is obvious false religion, a literal HERESY–as also is “Judeo-Christianity” (JC), gross oxymoron, product of hysterical fallacy-delusion, equivocation. Preceding heresies are part of matrix including Kantian-styled “morality,” neo-Pelagianism, founded on same old “good-evil” fallacy of children.

      Yet another heresy is non- or anti-racism. Such is MAMMON, a complex cultural disease run riot, overgrown and overextended like cancer, built upon heresy and fraud, running then according to the counterfeiting masters, like Jews who presently have Orwellian “perpetual war” blazing most splendidly. What will patriots do?

      CONCLUSION: Thus for example, by means of large cultural rationalization, numerous JCs might be saved fm treason to the Jew, encouraged to re-think their conspiracy-collaboration w. the Jew–FREEDOM FM ADDICTION TO SUBJECTIVISM and associated diseased mentality (not too unlike Carpenter’s). Meantime the Spenglerian Cyclic phase must pass as Mammon’s fuel is expended. I trust these comments and observations may help clarify present situation for strategic consideration. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

    26. Sehnsucht nach dem Reich Says:

      “New America”, is your tactic to inundiate rational suspicions against Mr. White in verbous nonsense? Have you learned this tactic at a PR school or at a jewish instituion? I don´t know. What I know is that you should not be too confident to fool the VNN readers who might be the small set in the white population which is thouroughly disgusted with tactics like that, since people like us know that all “authorities” in our respectives Zoglands use this tactic all the time to conceal their treasonous deeds and have the power to get away with it.

      To sum up my suspicions against Mr. White. Anybody who travels from the far left to the far right, and who shows no signs of remorse, who even gives no plausible explanation of his amazing intellectual development, should be suspicious, since he might be a political clown who only wants to be in the focus of attention. But when this person manages to establish himself as a succesful slum lord at his young age, well, then he might not be a polical clown but he might be a jew who is rewarded for his political deeds with a buissness by the fellow jews in his Zogland. Given the long history of jewish false flags we would be morons not to consider this possibilty, wouldn´t we. And everything else fits perfectly with this suspicion. No wonder that Mr. White doesn´t want to discuss his family! No wonder Mr. White is promoted by the political chameleon (another word for “Jew”) David Horowitz. No wonder Mr. White smears constantly David Duke and thereby uses the typical jewish character assassination. Mr. Duke might not be the Ãœberhitler we desperately need but that is no reason to kick at the only white nationalist who is a household name and whose books prove that he is not a false flag. And I am a bit bewildered that somebody who expresses this obvious suspicions against Mr White like “Harry Tuttle” should get bannt at VNN (“AM”, shame on you).

      Beside the dubious Mr. White a question worth discussion remains whether the street tactics he uses can work out. It worked out with Hitler but Hitler lived in another media environment. I think street presence without media support is quite useless. So street tactics work with Mexicans not with Whites. George Lincoln Rockwell has proven that point. If Mr White and the the NSM would be genuine, which I heavily doubt, he would try to be a copy of the copy, namely a copy of Rockwell who tried to be a copy of Hitler. I doubt that such a trial could salvate our people. Although I am a admirer af Hitler and the NSDAP I would join “Shmuley” in his opinion that we have to bear in mind the media conditiong the jews have bestowed on the symbols of the Third Reich. But on the other hand I don´t think that we should let the Jews get away with their smears and lies of a truly great man and his followers. Our salvation can´t be achieved by making it for the morons easy to follow. We would need people who can think for themselves and can withstand the jewish media storm. And we should not dry up the only source of inspiration we have. I think a compromise has to be found beetween prudence and honesty.

      But whether you use NS symbols or not, street tactics can´t work out. Glenn Miller has proven that modestly successful street parades, which he has achieved without the NS symbols, didn´t bring him a succes at the ballot. He even got less votes than people marched on the street! And things have evolved further in Zogland. The articles of American Free Press writer Christopher Bollyn about electronic vote fraud showed that you can´t vote yourself out of the mess anyway. And that the French and the Dutch have rejected the EU constitution in popular vote didn´t improve their lot a bit, it gets worse and worse. The jew is not a chivalric enemy and he will use his power and all his twisting and descomposing tricks not to get outvoted. “Party time is over” as Colin Jordan has said recently said quite aptly. So we should not have the illusion that we could copy the success of Hitler and the NSDAP with street tactics as a means to win at the ballot.

      At the moment we can not do more than use the gift of the internet (and we should not be so naïve to think that the internet is not a spy tool of the jews and that they could not shut up the few genuine voices like Herr Linder at any time they want). We can use the internet breaking through the media blindfold, reassuring ourselves that not all whites are brainwashed lemmings theese days and finetuning our opinions in discussion. I can understand that young white males, who are dispossessed at every level in our jewciety, want to do more than reading articles and writing anonymiously some comments, but I think that they could spend their time better with improving their souls (learning history, learning a foreign language, for example German, hearing good music, not the trash which is traded under the label of “White Music” etc.) than marching in the streets behind false leaders. I think that the age of the masses comes to an end and that we should adapt ourselves to this sea change. Hitler was an aristorcrat who lived in the age of the masses and he adapted his political tactics to this fact. Now the masses are too dumped down to achieve anything with them. And they breed themselves out of our great race through mixing with other races. We can only survive when we have quick wits and think for ourselves. And we have to develop a culture in a meaningful sense because a high culture is the raison d´etre for our race. Through the control of the education the jews can prevent the redevelopment of a white culture and therby wipe us from the face of the earth. We have to face the grim situation, we have to admit that our chances to survive are not good, that we need some kind of miracle. If we can´t survive we must try to die with dignity. I know that some will say that I am a defatist. But I am not without hope. Anyway, I only tried to explain as honestly as I could why I can´t support Mr. White and his NSM.

    27. Carpenter Says:

      Man, appo, take your bitter ranting and raving somewhere else, willya? Grownups talking here.

    28. New America Says:

      SHMUELY Says:
      ‘New America’ is either a naive, unseasoned optimist, with a lot to learn about Anglo-Americans, (a ‘creedal’ people pugnaciously ‘proud’ of their ignorance), or a pawn of his ‘Great White Hope’, Mr. White.

      in reply:
      White Americans may well have been “‘proud’ of their ignorance,” but such pride certainly goes before an economic fall; the “ignorance” is the price they have paid for assuming the Propasphere Reality is THE Reality.

      Soon, all too soon, they shall pay a horrific price; many of those who have pay attention to VNN, Peter Shank, and even the NSM.

      Again, can you imagine the depth of Illusions you had to penetrate to even consider paying attention to the NSM, much less JOINING the NSM, much less JOINING the Stormtroopers?

      That’s why, as Jim Ramm says, “The NSM. We’re not GOING; we’re GROWING!”

      He’s right about that…

      And, remember, this is about much more than Bill White; it’s about the NSM, and the choices that WHITE AMERICANS have avoided facing, until they had no choice…

      That their choice is VNN, and the NSM, says something; as Alex Linder said, “In politics, things can change very quickly.”

      Those “things” include NSM membership, which seems to be growing, very quickly, listeners to Hal Turmer, which seems to be growing, very quickly, and listeners to VNN and Edgar Steele – numbers which are growing, very quickly.

      What do all of these things have in common?

      One, White Americans ONLY, and…

      Two, “No Jews; Just Right!”

      Incidentally, wouldn’t “No Jews, Just Right!” make a GREAT advertisement using the model of the old Miller Light “Tastes Great! Less Filling!”

      OPENING shot of college auditorium crowd split in two:
      MUSIC of drums hitting a beat, matched with hand claps and foot stomping of the crowds in the same beat as the drums:

      Half of the crowd: “No Jews!”

      The OTHER half of the crowd: “Just right!”

      Do this for about twenty seconds, and then, the CENTER CAMERA pans back to…

      “I’m Alex Linder, for the Vanguard News Network. If you want news without the Jews, go to govnn.com. Thank you.”

      SHMULEY wrote:
      I would humbly suggest that he get dressed up in his NSKK looking Stormtrooper uniform, and head for Roanoke to lead the charge!

      in reply:
      Hardly effective, and hardly necessary; the focus of the NSM is to expand beyond the Stormtroopers into people who wear suits and ties, but AREN’T part of the “suit and tie crew.”

      Might we humbly suggest that you consider the simple fact that the NSM, virtually ALONE of all WN groups, is growing.

      Can the same be said of the National Alliance, now, apparently, well into liquidation?

      Can the same be said of the National Vanguard? No, and proof is seen in the video NV did of their meeting in Arizona – if memory serves, there were eight members; if you include April Gaede’s daughters, Linx and Lamb, there were TEN.

      THIS, after HOW MANY YEARS OF ‘WHITE NATIONALIST ACTIVISM?”

      If these aren’t the functional equivalent of “false flags,” what is?

      You don’t see the Jews losing any sleep over these organizations; only the NSM…

      SHMULEY wrote:
      When Mr. White and ‘New America’ take Roanoke by storm, or better yet, White is elected Mayor of the city, we`ll know that white Americans had a gigantic change of heart, and mind.

      in reply:
      It won’t take White’s election as Mayor of Ronaoke to make a difference; it takes White living the life of an exemplar, and in doing so, inspiring othes – many, many others – to look into the NSM, and join – in any capacity, and not necessarly that of Stormtrooper…

      SHMULEY wrote:
      Good luck.

      in reply:
      Each man creates his own fortune.

      By limiting your destiny to that of a much greater destiny – that of the betterment of your FAMILY, your RACE, and your CULTURE – Peter Shank’s (shankradio.com) triumvirate of RACIAL NATIONALISM – you will follow the example of men like Jim Ramm, Mark Martin, and…

      Bill White!

      ;)

      Remember,

      “Sow a thought, reap an act.

      Sow an act, reap a habit.

      Sow a habit, reap a character.

      Sow a character, reap a destiny.”

      What do you suppose the thoughts of a young corporal in the trenches of World War I, when he realized a common factor linked all of the enemies of his RACE?

      Look what HE did, against overwhelming odds, in a country that had been thoroughly stripped of economic resources, and whose mass media was totally under the cultural control of the Jews, our RACIAL ENEMIES…

      Follow HIS example, and see where you will go…

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    29. Biff Baxter Says:

      “New America” = 100% Jew. I personally guarantee it. You can smell it on the other side of the planet. Read his posts, they’re dripping kosher confused. A perfect example of why jews have never produced a great writer.

      Twenty plus paragraphs of text without really saying anything at all. Methinks the rabbi protests too much.

      Bill White must have blown the Yiddish whistle for backup here on the VNN forum.

    30. Carpenter Says:

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich says:
      To sum up my suspicions against Mr. White. Anybody who travels from the far left to the far right, and who shows no signs of remorse, who even gives no plausible explanation of his amazing intellectual development, should be suspicious, since he might be a political clown who only wants to be in the focus of attention.
      …………
      No wonder Mr. White smears constantly David Duke and thereby uses the typical jewish character assassination. Mr. Duke might not be the Ãœberhitler we desperately need but that is no reason to kick at the only white nationalist who is a household name and whose books prove that he is not a false flag.

      Damn straight, these two alone are reason enough to forget about him, and any clown organization that accepts him.

      Those on the extreme left have a political outlook, a “paradigm,” so different from ours you can hardly fathom it. They hate anything strong and successful out of jealousy and flawed psyches, whereas we want more strength and success. We want more of the healthy branches of the tree, they want more of the rotten branches. For this purpose they deny the fact that people are different, and ascribe success to evil and oppression. We look at human nature instead. That’s the fundamental difference. Anyone ascribing to the paradigm of the extreme Left, well, I would say it takes at least twenty years of atonement before I would trust such a guy to have changed, and I am serious about that. I can imagine a Bill White still thinking like a commie, he just adds Jews to his list of capitalist oppressors, retaining his view of the world as one moved mainly by conspiracies, not by nature.

    31. apollonian Says:

      Reality: Conspiratorial By Nature & Necessity
      (Apollonian, 25 May 06)

      “Carpenter,” u dolt, reality, HENCE NATURE, is (a) determined, (b) cyclic (according to Oswald Spengler, “Decline of the West”), and (c) CONSPIRATORIAL. These are merest and simple scientific conclusions founded in perceptual reality. New Testament Conspiracy theory-analytic-template is my own discovery, don’t forget.

      Most dramatic results would come as Christians are mobilized against “Judeo-Christian” (JC) heresy. For Christianity is necessarily antisemitc, practically by definition. JCs are presently among most horrific sinners. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

    32. New America Says:

      Biff Baxter Says:
      “New America� = 100% Jew. I personally guarantee it. You can smell it on the other side of the planet. Read his posts, they’re dripping kosher confused.

      in reply:
      EXACTLY which posts are “kosher confused,” and why?

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      A perfect example of why jews have never produced a great writer.

      in reply:
      Like Kevin Alfred Strom?

      ;)

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      Twenty plus paragraphs of text without really saying anything at all.

      in reply:
      Only the things that mattered were said, and they relate to matters of Form, as well as Substance.

      That is a model we would all do well to emulate.

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      Methinks the rabbi protests too much.

      in reply:
      The issue is not “protest(ing) too much,” the issue is Performance.

      This quote from one of my responses to “Biff Baxter” sums it up rather succintly…

      New America wrote:
      Hardly effective, and hardly necessary; the focus of the NSM is to expand beyond the Stormtroopers into people who wear suits and ties, but AREN’T part of the “suit and tie crew.�

      Might we humbly suggest that you consider the simple fact that the NSM, virtually ALONE of all WN groups, is growing.

      Can the same be said of the National Alliance, now, apparently, well into liquidation?

      Can the same be said of the National Vanguard? No, and proof is seen in the video NV did of their meeting in Arizona – if memory serves, there were eight members; if you include April Gaede’s daughters, Linx and Lamb, there were TEN.

      THIS, after HOW MANY YEARS OF “WHITE NATIONALIST ACTIVISM?â€?

      If these aren’t the functional equivalent of “false flags,� what is?

      You don’t see the Jews losing any sleep over these organizations; only the NSM…

      Note that, Biff; the NSM is actually DOING SOMETHING that angers the Jews; while they watch the impotent ravings of National Vanguard, and the liquidation of the remains of the National Alliance, the Jews are watching the NSM closely. After all, only the NSM, with Hal Turner, actually made something happen, with feets on the street, and facts on the ground, ALL reported by the Jewish controlled media.

      I guess comparing National Vanguard to the NSM is like comparing a junior high girls field hockey team to the National Football League…

      And, as Jim Ramm so correctly notes,”The NSM. We’re not GOING, we’re GROWING.”

      Nothing succeeds like success!

      Biff Baxter wrote:
      Bill White must have blown the Yiddish whistle for backup here on the VNN forum.

      in reply:
      Bill White does not need reinforcements.

      Although, given their pathetic track record, perhaps certain of Bill White’s detractors have been blowing a Yiddish “whistle” (is THAT what they call it?), and whistling with pleasure afterwards.

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    33. New America Says:

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      “New Americaâ€?, is your tactic to inundiate rational suspicions against Mr. White in verbous nonsense?…

      in reply:
      Calling explanations that explain why they are correct is hardly “verbous nonsense.”

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      To sum up my suspicions against Mr. White. Anybody who travels from the far left to the far right, and who shows no signs of remorse, who even gives no plausible explanation of his amazing intellectual development, should be suspicious, since he might be a political clown who only wants to be in the focus of attention.

      in reply:
      The far right and the far left, in practice, strongly resemble one another. Mr. White’s intellectual growth moved to the Deeper Truth that we all grow to realize; that political forms represent the vessels in which organic processes manifest. The deepest foundation of these organic processes, of course, is RACE.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      But when this person manages to establish himself as a succesful slum lord at his young age, well, then he might not be a polical clown but he might be a jew who is rewarded for his political deeds with a buissness by the fellow jews in his Zogland.

      in reply:
      If Mr. White is experiencing some small measure of financial success, good for him.

      Whenever we “blame” success on magic forces, we reveal a Childish state of mind; instead, we should use the Gifts of our Western heritage: rational analysis, and the Will to do better.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      Given the long history of jewish false flags we would be morons not to consider this possibilty, wouldn´t we.

      in reply:
      See above.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      And everything else fits perfectly with this suspicion.

      in reply:
      That is an irrational rationalization.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      No wonder Mr. White is promoted by the political chameleon (another word for “Jew�) David Horowitz.

      in reply:
      Horowitz, we suspect, is simply covering a market, and the market makers, for his supporters, which includes “conservative” foundations…

      Maybe White – and Linder, and Shank, and Turner, and Steele – are right, and the “conservatives” are simply false flags…

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      No wonder Mr. White smears constantly David Duke and thereby uses the typical jewish character assassination.

      in reply:
      White’s criticism of Dr. Duke is open, and honest; do you require the same accounting from Dr. Duke AND Bill White?

      It is so late in the day, I do not care for any of their personal shortcomings, as long as they have the courage to speak and act openly and honestly in support of our RACE.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      Mr. Duke might not be the Ãœberhitler we desperately need but that is no reason to kick at the only white nationalist who is a household name and whose books prove that he is not a false flag.

      in reply:
      Why don’t we take the responsibility to be what we want the world to become?

      Why do we wait like helpless children for someone to save us; we can work ON ourselves TODAY, and work together, TOMORROW.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      And I am a bit bewildered that somebody who expresses this obvious suspicions against Mr White like “Harry Tuttle� should get bannt at VNN (�AM�, shame on you).

      in reply:
      Above my pay grade, brother.

      ;)

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      Beside the dubious Mr. White a question worth discussion remains whether the street tactics he uses can work out. It worked out with Hitler but Hitler lived in another media environment.

      in reply:
      The “street tactics he uses” HAVE worked; look at what Hal Turner and the NSM did in ONE HOUR, in Kingston, New York.

      That did more good for our RACE, in ONE HOUR, than ALL of the “conservatives” and patriotards have done in FIFTY GODDAMN YEARS!

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      I think street presence without media support is quite useless. So street tactics work with Mexicans not with Whites.

      in reply:
      The colored gangs of Toledo certainly don’t think so…

      Incidentally, the NSM is three for three in terms of media presence at their “street presences.”

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      George Lincoln Rockwell has proven that point. If Mr White and the NSM would be genuine, which I heavily doubt, he would try to be a copy of the copy, namely a copy of Rockwell who tried to be a copy of Hitler. I doubt that such a trial could salvate our people. Although I am a admirer af Hitler and the NSDAP I would join “Shmuley� in his opinion that we have to bear in mind the media conditiong the jews have bestowed on the symbols of the Third Reich.

      in reply:

      If we do not blindly follow the Forms of another time and place, but adopt the same matter of Substance to OUR time and place, we can learn from, and be inspired by, the examples of Adolph Hitler, and the NSDAP.

      The NSM’s irregular nonverbal messages; the faggy high school marching band hats, and the faggy berets, and the ununiform uniforms, all have to GO!

      If the NSM took the Scandinavian model for uniforms, and kept the red swastika arm band (with other, appropriate insignia) for the Stormtroopers, they may well achieve a pleasantly surprising level of political effectiveness.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      But on the other hand I don´t think that we should let the Jews get away with their smears and lies of a truly great man and his followers.

      in reply:
      How do you propose we do that, other than following the NSM’s example, by facing the Jews and their attack animals, head-on, in the Real World, on the street?

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      Our salvation can´t be achieved by making it for the morons easy to follow. We would need people who can think for themselves and can withstand the jewish media storm. And we should not dry up the only source of inspiration we have. I think a compromise has to be found between prudence and honesty.

      in reply:
      “…the ONLY source of inspiration we have.”

      And, the only organization that proudly claims to be His intellectual and political descendant, is to be destroyed before it gets started?

      Our moral leaders, who can withstand the Jewish media storm, can counted of the fingers of one hand – the NSM, Peter Shank, Alex Linder, Hal Turner, Edgar Steele.

      THAT’S IT!

      If we were to be ruthlessly honest, prudence would take care of itself….

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      But whether you use NS symbols or not, street tactics can´t work out.

      in reply:
      Kingston, Toledo, Lansing…

      Seems to be doing pretty well, so far, and it CERTAINLY works for our RACIAL enemies.

      You will notice that the rest of us have had no effect whatsoever…

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      Glenn Miller has proven that modestly successful street parades, which he has achieved without the NS symbols, didn´t bring him a succes at the ballot….And things have evolved further in Zogland. The articles of American Free Press writer Christopher Bollyn about electronic vote fraud showed that you can´t vote yourself out of the mess anyway. And that the French and the Dutch have rejected the EU constitution in popular vote didn´t improve their lot a bit, it gets worse and worse.

      in reply:
      Voting is a means to an end, and not always the best means to that end.

      Ask Nixon about the 1960 election, where dead men voted in Chicago…

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      The jew is not a chivalric enemy and he will use his power and all his twisting and descomposing tricks not to get outvoted. “Party time is over� as Colin Jordan has said recently said quite aptly. So we should not have the illusion that we could copy the success of Hitler and the NSDAP with street tactics as a means to win at the ballot.

      in reply:
      The BALLOT?

      My concern is OUR RACIAL SURVIVAL.

      When you yield the streets to the Barbarians, the Barbarians will control the political system. All of the “voting’ in the world will ultimately be for the ONE THING all of our RACIAL ENEMIES can agree upon; it will all be AGAINST the dispossessed White Americans.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      At the moment we can not do more than use the gift of the internet…

      in reply:
      “At the moment…”

      And tomorrow, when even that is taken from us?

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      We can use the internet breaking through the media blindfold, reassuring ourselves that not all whites are brainwashed lemmings these days and finetuning our opinions in discussion.

      in reply:
      To what end, and how do you propose to make that end a Reality, in the streets, where the Barbarians hold sway…

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      I can understand that young white males, who are dispossessed at every level in our jewciety, want to do more than reading articles and writing anonymiously some comments, but I think that they could spend their time better with improving their souls (learning history, learning a foreign language, for example German, hearing good music, not the trash which is traded under the label of “White Music� etc.) than marching in the streets behind false leaders.

      in reply:
      That is for the End of the Day; DURING the Day, they have the positive RACIAL duty to push the Barbarians back for the FAMILY, their RACE, and their CULTURE.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      I think that the age of the masses comes to an end and that we should adapt ourselves to this sea change. Hitler was an aristorcrat who lived in the age of the masses and he adapted his political tactics to this fact. Now the masses are too dumped down to achieve anything with them. And they breed themselves out of our great race through mixing with other races.

      in reply:
      Look at what the Jews – TWO PERCENT of the population – have done by controlling the institutions of “our” society, and the Propasphere, the words you hear and the pictures you cannot escape in from in the mass media, without firing a shot…

      If just TWO PERCENT of our people can begin to Awaken, and realize they have the power to TRANSFORM their lives for the better, at the level of yourself, your FAMILY, your RACE and your CULTURE…

      “Sow a thought, reap an act…”

      It’s worked supremely well for the Jews, and COULD work for us, one at a time.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      We can only survive when we have quick wits and think for ourselves. And we have to develop a culture in a meaningful sense because a high culture is the raison d´etre for our race. Through the control of the education the jews can prevent the redevelopment of a white culture and therby wipe us from the face of the earth.

      in reply:
      Home schooling – OUR tool of regaining the power we allowed the Jew to take from us.

      THAT is our FOUNDATION – in PRACTICE.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      We have to face the grim situation, we have to admit that our chances to survive are not good, that we need some kind of miracle.

      in reply:
      Just READ “Mein Kampf.”

      See the foundation for the miracle of NSDAP Germany, in a book read by the people, individually, which inspired them, collectively, to Deeds of Greatness, without a shot being fired, save in self-defense.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      If we can´t survive we must try to die with dignity. I know that some will say that I am a defatist. But I am not without hope.

      in reply:
      Hope, without activity, is like faith without deeds; a useful preoccupation for those who choose helplessness.

      The NSM, and Hal Turner, are actually DOING something for our FAMILIES, our RACE, and our CULTURE.

      Sehnsucht nach dem Reich wrote:
      Anyway, I only tried to explain as honestly as I could why I can´t support Mr. White and his NSM.

      in reply:
      Then, do better.

      Don’t just sit back and type – send your coffee money, each and every month, to VNN, or Hal Turner.

      If you can’t do THAT – consistently – then you are saying that the ONLY people who are fighting for OUR FAMILY, OUR RACE, and OUR CULTURE, are not worth tip money.

      Fine.

      Best learn to speak Spanish, and soon; they will dispossess you, too, but you should be able to live on bended knees for a season.

      Your children will not have this luxury.

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    34. Carpenter Says:

      Appy thinks human biology is “cyclic”…. I would add a sarcastic comment, but it is entirely superfluous here. :)

    35. apollonian Says:

      Carpenter Should See To Info
      (Apollonian, 26 May 06)

      U see “Carpenter,” u practically admit to ur smugness and sin, u poor disgusting scum whose source of truth is quotations fm Chairman W. L. Pierce, Pelagian heretic along w. Willis Carto.

      Judaism operates behind heresies, like gnosticism, Pelagianism, Arianism (Islam), etc. Present-day Mammon culture is built upon heresies (complex) like “Judeo-Christianity” (analyzed at Whtt.org), neo-Pelagianism, non- or anti-racism, etc.

      “Sarcastic comments” are all u seem capable of–do u have any info?–oh thou guttersnipe of near total worthlessness. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

    36. Carpenter Says:

      This is embarrassing, appy stinking up every thread here with his own bitterness and attacks.

      To recap, off the top of my head, appy tells us that:

      -VNN is financed by Jews
      -VNN is worthless as it is not xtian
      -Alex Linder is a retard
      -George Bush is controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations
      -The United Nations was modeled on the Soviet Union
      -Fascism is the enemy
      -You are a Jew agent if you say that Jew media, not the Federal Reserve, is the main problem
      -Poster Sulla is a Satanist for not being xtian
      -Human biology is cyclic (because Spengler wrote about historical cycles….)
      -The Bible contains messages to appy about today’s hidden conspiracies
      -Practically anyone who criticizes appy is hired by Jews

      So you see why he shouldn’t be taken seriously. He admits to not being a White Nationalist.

    37. apollonian Says:

      Note Jews Operate Behind Heresy
      (Apollonian, 26 May 06)

      No “Carpenter”–I’m a real patriot, what are u? I aspire to white culture and thinking rather than such as ur own blind obedience to ur new pope, W. L. Pierce, heretic. I analyze logicially, objective, hence Western science vs. Judaic subjectivist; aesthetically I acknowledge (historically too) the achievement of the ancient Christian church as under Constantine who banished the Jews decisively for another three hundred yrs, till advent of the Arianist hereticalist Islamics. Still the great church endured, the triumphant theology of New Testament, hence Constantine who consulted closely like any scientist and good general.

      Hence as journalist, I cite history, and I emphasize Jews always take most anti-Christ methods, emphasizing narcissist Mammon and “prosperity.” Jews seldom emphasize outright satanist anti-Christianity or outright Judaism-Talmudism; rather they hide behind heresy, esp. neo-Pelagianism (“good-evil” fallacy, Kant) and “Judeo-Christianity,” also non- or anti-racism.

      W. L. Pierce was puffed quite a bit by the Jews-media, corporate press; it was useful to them who control funding, hence prop. instrument, education politics, judiciary, US Senate, President, et al. What a neat conspiracy as it’s so huge, entangling so many, so effectively. This fascist establishment then seeks to create its own reality or mentality, and fascist law reflects best the blind, brainless brutality, which must be upheld by and for government, never citizens.

      Why is it such as “Carpenter’s” brain can’t seem to conceive of further plans and circumstances? For antisemitism can be well organized even aside fm white folk, which organization is itself excellent encouragement for confidence in democratic system, like original American Articles of Confederation. (Note “democracy” merely means basic respect for people, against fascist dictatorship of a clique of Judeo-oligarchs, for example.)

      CONCLUSION: So it’s “Carpenter” who must transcend the limited bounds of plans and mentality of W. L. Pierce, heretic. Carpenter needs to learn there is virtue to criticism (and thinking in general), as even Pierce himself might well anticipate and predict. We still have excellent patriot chances as free internet informs as to what battle and who always wins, like the Judeo-oligarchs (see JBS.org). We don’t have to contrive anything. Good journalism, like VNN’s, nearly suffices by itself. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

    38. Carpenter Says:

      Dude, those downloaded porn characters on your computer do not count as proof of social skills. That’s why we don’t listen to you. (Yes, the UN spy satellites check your computer every now and then, didn’t you know? :) )

      Again, appy tells us that:

      -VNN is financed by Jews
      -VNN is worthless as it is not xtian
      -Alex Linder is a retard
      -Pierce was a “heretic” and propped up by the Jews
      -appy is a journalist (!)
      -George Bush is controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations
      -The United Nations was modeled on the Soviet Union
      -Fascism is the enemy
      -You are a Jew agent if you say that Jew media, not the Federal Reserve, is the main problem
      -Poster Sulla is a Satanist for not being xtian
      -Human biology is cyclic (because Spengler wrote about historical cycles…)
      -The Bible contains messages to appy about today’s hidden conspiracies
      -Practically anyone who criticizes appy is hired by Jews

      …and he admits to not being a White Nationalist.

    39. apollonian Says:

      Carpenter Fails Again
      (Apollonian, 27 May 06)

      “Carpenter” here’s what I say: U, “Carpenter” are a liar, NO LESS THAN ANY JEW. Another thing about u, Carpenter, is u’re such a stupid, presumptuous little punk, pretending to speak for others (“why WE don’t listen to you”). Speak for urself, u stupid Jew lickspittle.

      VNN may be financed, ultimately, by Jews–do u know it isn’t, Carpenter, u ignorant moron? The point is Jews and their gentile accomplices are fundamentally subjectivists, and they’ll do anything to promote subjectivism as it undermines the strength and essence of white culture founded upon objectivity, antithesis of Judaism-Talmudism and subjectivity.

      VNN, as it is antisemitic, certainly isn’t “worthless,” another lie of Carpenter’s which I’ve made clear numerous times. VNN typically features most outstanding antisemitism.

      I never seriously indicated that great “hero and genius,” Linder, was “retard,” another Carpenter lie. Linder is formidable talent who however tends to stagnate for his lack of respect for Christianity, its history and potential. Linder is also weak for logic sometimes.

      And yes Carpenter, u’re effective Jew agent, and TRAITOR TO white patriotism, as u divert fm the necessary target, the Federal Reserve Bank (Fed) counterfeiting instrument, the “Jews-media” a mere creature, effect, and consequence of such fundamental Fed tool.

      Perhaps most important is to promote a dialectic, keeping things on firm intellectual basis first of all, consistent w. white culture. Apollonian

    40. One Rascal Says:

      Citizens Against Hate, in conjunction with One People’s Radio, and One People’s Project is happy to announce the Bill White Award. Tonight, Bill White was made aware that this award was being made available in honor of his efforts to rid our society of hate-filled organizations and individuals. The criteria for this award is very stringent and the recipients must meet each and every element.

      We are certain that there will many recipients worthy of such an award but, remember – they MUST meet the criteria….

      We here at Citizens Against Hate, One Peoples Radio and One Peoples Project have been so overwhelmed by all of the assistance we have gotten by Bill White in our quest to eliminate organized hate groups that we thought the best way to honor him would be to offer an award in his name. The criteria:

      1. The recipient must be a practicing racist. ( Mr. White is spokesman for the National Socialist Movement )

      2. The recipient must be active in the hate movement. ( Mr. White is an NSM organizer, a web-host operator and likes his mocha with whipped cream)

      3. The recipient must demonstrate a unique ability to create havoc and dissension among the rank and file organizied bigots. (Mr Whites actions and lies, led to a beating of five of NSM followers by members of an opposing hate group ( Vinlanders).

      4. The recipient must be able to stay within the rank and file until such dissension has rendered the movement or an organization impotent.

      We here at Citizens Against Hate and One Peoples Radio and One Peoples Project give recognition to Bill White’s ability to wreak havoc in the racist right-wing and we encourage him to continue.

      To hear the announcement of this award click here

      http://www.onepeoplesradio.com/BWawardCAH.mp3

      or to read more about this award go here

      http://www.citizensagainsthate.com

    41. apollonian Says:

      Yes, “Hatred” Is Virtuous Emotion, Given Circumstances
      (Apollonian, 3 Jun 06)

      Hmmmm, well, I’m not so sure about above advertising fm “citizens against hate.com,” but I’m sure I deserve credit for my essays getting back up on NewNation.org under “commentary” heading. Here (at NewNation.org) white racists and youth can find expository essays upon my patented “New Testament (NT) Conspiracy theory-analytic-template.” Long live the noble cause of antisemitism, so well expressed on VNN, which patriots and youth learn to emulate.

      I wonder who “citizens against hate.com” is/are working for?–as long as they render links to real, true, and honest white race hatred, it will do best for our great antisemitic cause.

      CONCLUSION: Yes, we hate Jews and their suckalong traitor accomplices and co-conspirators among gentiles, and such hatred is virtuous as long as it enhances the rational faculty against the foe, the disease, the Jew (and gentile suckalongs). Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian

    42. New America Says:

      The One Primate’s Project wrote:

      We here at Citizens Against Hate, One Peoples Radio and One Peoples Project have been so overwhelmed by all of the assistance we have gotten by Bill White in our quest to eliminate organized hate groups that we
      thought the best way to honor him would be to offer an award in his name.

      in reply:
      Of course, the phrase “oreganized hate groups” includes your Goddamned Jewish masters.

      Of course, when they are down with you, they will cast you aside, if you are lucky; after all, their Babylonian faith orders them to “Kill even the best Gentiles.”

      Enjoy being their lickspittles, for a season…

      The One Primate’s Project wrote:
      The criteria:

      1. The recipient must be a practicing racist. ( Mr. White is spokesman for the National Socialist Movement )

      in reply:
      If you have read the Talmud, the holy book of the Goddamned Jews, then you should certainly start with, well, any rabbi – for openers.

      The One Primate’s Project wrote:
      2. The recipient must be active in the hate movement. ( Mr. White is an NSM organizer, a web-host operator and likes his mocha with whipped cream)

      in reply:
      Why not, oh, Ariel Sharon?

      Damned few more people hate as much, or as deeply, as Sharon.

      Let’s keep him in mind, shall we?

      The One Primate’s Project wrote:
      3. The recipient must demonstrate a unique ability to create havoc and dissension among the rank and file organizied bigots. (Mr Whites actions and lies, led to a beating of five of NSM followers by members of an opposing hate group ( Vinlanders).

      in reply:
      Sharon’s remarkable ability to destroy and reform the political parties that are the very heart of Israelis politics certainly qualifies him, severalfold.

      The One Primate’s Project wrote:
      4. The recipient must be able to stay within the rank and file until such dissension has rendered the movement or an organization impotent.

      in reply:
      Again, Sharon is the clear winner; just ask the members of his formerly supreme political party.

      The One Primate’s Project wrote:
      We here at Citizens Against Hate and One Peoples Radio and One Peoples Project give recognition to Bill White’s ability to wreak havoc in the racist right-wing and we encourage him to continue.

      in reply:
      Even like unto death, Sharon remains the exemplar in terms of racial hated and unlimited bigotry; putting such a “hater” in charge of the weapons of war prved that his actions led directly to more people begin killed in one day, than Bill White has even offended, in his entire life.

      CONCLUSION:
      The test of a man is his enemies.

      I do not look at Bill White as anything more, or less, than who he is, and what he does.

      The fact that he is so hated – nice term, that – by people who are so skilled in hatred themselves – except for the hatred their Goddamned Jew masters have for all of Mankind – is a badge of honor.

      And, as for any effect White may have had on the unseemly events of NordicFest – now, this DOES ascribe remarkable powers to him (is the One Primate’s Project a group of Scientologists? do they think Bill White is Xenu?) – even in that extraordinary case, the White Nationalist community is using the obstacle as an opportunity, to clearly define what the critical issues are before us, and organizing along more effective lines for our Family, our RACE, and our Culture.

      This is the one thing that the Goddamned Jews truly fear, above all else – once the spark of White Nationalism gets going, and our brothers and sisters recognize the RACIAL nature of the war the Goddamned Jews have declared and fought against us, who knows what might happen?

      We might all start acting like the best of how Bill White, Jim Ramm, Mark Martin, and the rest of the NSM act; indeed, perhaps we might we show them a thing or two about dealing with our RACIAL enemies, in a very forthright manner, indeed…

      New America!

      An Idea Whose Time Is Here!

    43. Sara Says:

      Are there any good WP groups out there that is not on the hunt of money, for the most part they all shew out the same stuff, but the result is money. Everybody wants it so others will branch out and open their own group. Look at NSM and AN and so on and so on.

      I find it funny that NSM was all gon ho with John Tayler Bowles for 2008 and now nothing is said about him.

      Well he left NSM and has his own group away from NSM views but he kept NSM store items to sell on his own.

      Jim Ramm is out of NSM, Mark is just about gone as well, NSM is falling apart

      MONEY MONEY MONEY ! Its all about money not the “Movement”

      20 years from now there will be more group born and more and more people saying join or support or cause. When will there be action. When is there enough money in the commanders pockets?

      Someone out there let me know what is going on, and what is the best group to join and stay a member of.

      The fight has brought against our own, if you leave one group and go to another you are called a kike,

      This is NSM’s policy to do this.